Infinite Reflection and Manifest
Asked by Lurac 8 years ago
Infinite Reflection - The card says "nontoken creatures", and AFAIK that works with face down creatures too.
My question is: If I have Infinite Reflection in play, enchanting, say, a Storm Crow, and I then cast a Thousand Winds face down, a) will it copy Storm Crow? b) can I turn it face up? c) if I turn it face up, will it be affected by Infinite Reflection anymore?
I am asking this because I want to troll a friend with a new combo deck i cooked. I call it a budget casual "splinter twin"/all my spells-deck. This is what I want to do: ramp a lot of mana, cast Temur War Shaman with mana left to protect him, enchant him with Infinite Reflection next turn, then drop any creature (as a copy of the shaman) and manifest my entire deck. Then, before my next draw step, i flip Laboratory Maniac face up. Will this work?
Oh. That makes sense. I'm a bit disappointed, though. I have both Infinite Reflection and Ghastly Conscription in an UB mill EDH deck (Lazav, Dimir Mastermind). Luckily I have never had the chance to play them together, since apparently the combo doesn't work.
August 18, 2015 9:55 a.m.
You should have seen how sad I was when I learned you couldn't give a token creature undying. It happens.
sonnet666 says... Accepted answer #1
Face up / Face down is a status of permanents on the battlefield the same way as tapped / untapped is. Modifying an object with copy effects doesn't change the status of that object, it's just in this instance, the status of being face down makes something a 2/2 creature with no other characteristics.
In your first example, you could cast Thousand Winds face down using it's morph ability (not manifest), and it would enter the battlefield as a face down copy of Storm Crow (a 2/2 with no other characteristics), but it wouldn't be able to be turned face up, as it doesn't have morph when it's a copy of Storm Crow.
Manifest works a little differently. Since manifest lets you turn the card up for it's mana cost, any card that gets manifested with Infinite Reflection would be a face down copy of a creature, and therefore be able to be turned face up for that creature's mana cost (unless it's an instant or sorcery, then it just gets revealed and left face down). In your second example, each creature you manifest would be able to be turned face up for
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However, your combo still doesn't work, because the card being manifested by the copy of Temur War Shaman enters the battlefield as a face down copy of Temur War Shaman, is just a 2/2 with no other characteristics, and doesn't get Temur War Shaman's ETB trigger.
August 18, 2015 8:37 a.m.