Infinite or not?

Asked by Junkygoatgibblets 2 years ago

I was talking with some friends about a possible infinite loop with Ranar to create infinite spirit tokens. So the combo starts by having Ranar the Ever-Watchful and Felidar Guardian on the field. You then play Mystic Reflection and target your Felidar. After it resolves you flash in Rattlechains and then target felidar guardian. One friend this is NOT infinite and would only net you 2-3 tokens max. The other says that because Felidar and rattlechains are doing this back and forth and repeatedly triggering stack triggers it WOULD go infinite. What do you guys think?

Necrosis24 says... Accepted answer #1

If I’m understanding ur set up correctly this does not go infinite. Mystic Reflection states “the next time” so not until the end of turn just the next instance. So what would happen is:

  1. You target Felidar Guardian with Mystic Reflection.
  2. Cast Rattlechains or any other creature and it will enter as a copy of Felidar Guardian.
  3. You target Felidar Guardian with the copy then when it enters the battlefield again you target the copy of Felidar Guardian
  4. When the copy enters the battlefield again it would enter as Rattlechains

So you exiled the original and the copy once each which nets you two tokens. Many other ways you can go infinite.

September 1, 2021 5:12 p.m.

enpc says... #2

Necrosis24 is correct - the first time the Rattlechains enters it enters as a copy of Felidar Guardian, however the subesquent times it enters it is unafected by Mystic Reflection (since its effect has already resolved).

You can make this work by alternating between Felidar Guardian and Restoration Angel instead.

In future, please remember to ask rules questions in the Rules Q&A (which is format independent). Also, please remember to mark the question as answered (by picking one of the answers, I would recommend Necrosis24's in this case) once the question has been closed out.

September 1, 2021 8:12 p.m.

fadelightningmm says... #3

To make this more of an infinite don’t bother with the reflections of rattlechains and go straight for a Clone effect. Clone the felidar blink the felidar and clone back and forth until you amass the spirits you want then break the cycle by cloning something other than the felidar

September 1, 2021 10:04 p.m.

Caerwyn says... #4

In the future, please remember to hit the green "Mark as Answer" button to indicate your question was resolved. Since this question ahs been answered for a couple of days without any pending follow-ups, I have gone ahead and marked an answer on your behalf.

September 7, 2021 11:28 a.m.

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