Infinite casts with Spelljack and Leyline of the Void?
Asked by DaShPrime 9 years ago
Supposing I have a Leyline of the Void on the battlefield. My opponent plays a Glimpse the Unthinkable and I Spelljack it in response. Glimpse is exiled, the next turn I decide to cast it. After I cast it, instead of going to the graveyard it gets exiled by Leyline. Can I cast it again?
Part 2: If I can cast it again, how does this work with Guile ? If I have an active Erayo's Essence and Leyline on the battlefield, does that mean my opponents will keep having their first spell countered, which I can then cast forever?
The key words in Spelljack are "if it's removed this way" and in Guile are "instead remove it from the game". Those are replacement effects. And change the way the card behaves in exile. If it's put into exile normally, those replacement effects aren't still affecting the card because it's a new card.
June 23, 2014 4:07 a.m.
I don't think that Joking101's answers are entirely correct. Nowhere in Spelljack
's rules text or oracle text does it say "if it's removed this way." That said I think that you wouldn't get to recast the spell if it's exiled by some other effects, like Leyline of the Void
.
For your part 2, if you have a Erayo's Essence and a Guile , then yes the first spell they cast will be countered AND you can cast it with Guile continuously until Guile dies. BUT, you won't get to "recast" previous spells since they weren't exiled BY Guile .
June 23, 2014 4:18 a.m.
With Spelljack , what I was referring to was "if it's countered this way, instead remove it from the game". And yes, if it's exiled with Leyline of the Void , you can't cast it again.
With the Guile and Erayo's Essence example, you do counter the first spell, you can cast it with Guile , but you can only cast the card once, because after that it goes to the graveyard.
@JWiley129 If by saying "you can cast it continuously until Guile dies" to say you can cast it an infinite number of times, you'd be wrong.
June 23, 2014 4:48 a.m.
Seraphicate says... #5
I think that with Spelljack 's wording of 'as long as it remains removed from the game' would be the lines you're looking for. By casting the Glimpse the Unthinkable , it goes back into the game from that exile zone. After that, what Joking101 said about Guile should apply, except in the exile zone instead of the battlefield.
June 23, 2014 5:46 a.m.
@everyone: Part II of the question was supposed to have a Leyline of the Void in there as well.
So basically what you guys are saying is that the effect that does the exiling (Spelljack /Guile ) remembers the card that was exiled and once it is cast again it becomes a new card, whether or not it's exiled?
June 23, 2014 6:09 a.m.
Basically when a card does something to the effect of "Exile target spell, you may cast it for as long as it remains exiled." it usually refers to being exiled by the card in question. So if you cast a card off of Spelljack or Guile that then gets exiled by Leyline of the Void then you can't cast that card again since it wasn't exiled by Spelljack or Guile .
June 23, 2014 6:14 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #8
The key thing here is that when an object changes zones, it becomes a completely new game object with no relationship to what it was before (minus a few exceptions that don't apply here). When you cast the Spelljack -ed card, it moves from exile to the stack, and then in your Leyline of the Void example it moves to exile again after it resolves. It's now a different object than the card Spelljack's ability was referring to, so it isn't affected by Spelljack anymore.
Joking101 says... #1
No. Cards like Spelljack and Guile check if the spell was put there as a result of themselves. If it enters exile through a different mean entirely, it has no association with either of the fore mentioned cards.
The reverse has the same general principle. If you kill my Guile, and it goes to the graveyard, even if I reanimate the Guile, it's a brand new Guile with no memory of cards previously exiled by previous Guiles. Even if it's the same card.
June 23, 2014 3:55 a.m.