If you cascade off The First Sliver with a Hivestone in play and it's a non sliver creature??

Asked by Swebb87 3 years ago

If you cascade off The First Sliver with a Hivestone in play and it's a non sliver creature, can you cascade again as though it were a sliver, or does the Hivestone not see the creature as a sliver until it hits the battlefield??

Polaris says... Accepted answer #1

Hivestone's ability is a static ability, so if you have Hivestone out your creatures will enter play as Slivers. However, creature cards that aren't on the battlefield aren't creatures yet, so they will not be Sliver spells when cast (unless they're Sliver cards themselves). The answer is that Hivestone won't make random creatures get cascade from The First Sliver, since cascade is a "when you cast" ability and not an enters the battlefield ability.

For a little background, there three main types of abilities on cards: activated, triggered, and static. Activated abilities are written "cost: effect " (pay mana/sacrifice something/tap this/pay life/etc: do X) and go on the stack when their controller activates them. Triggered abilities (like cascade) are written "event, effect" (whenever X happens, do Y) and go on the stack when their event occurs.

Static abilities are written "X is like this" (i.e. "Creatures you control are Slivers") and do not use the stack. As long as the card with the ability is in play (or wherever the ability specifies), the ability is in effect.

January 23, 2021 6:47 p.m.

Neotrup says... #2

As Polaris said, Hivestone won't make creature spells slivers, so they won't have cascade. Another small point of clarification, if cast The First Sliver and cascade into another sliver, that sliver will not cascade, as The First Sliver needs to be on the battlefield in order to grant cascade. Once it's in play, future slivers you cast can cascade into smaller slivers, cascading again.

6/14/2019 The First Sliver's last ability only applies while it's on the battlefield. If The First Sliver's own cascade ability lets you cast another Sliver card, that Sliver won't have cascade.

If you did want to make your creature spells into sliver spells, so that The First Sliver let's them cascade, you can grant creature types to creature spells with Conspiracy, Arcane Adaptation, or Maskwood Nexus.

January 23, 2021 7:07 p.m.

Swebb87 says... #3

Thanks Neotrup and Polaris

January 24, 2021 11:09 a.m.

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