Humility + Starfield of Nyx + any anthem
Asked by nwonknu 7 years ago
Do anthems maintain abilities or are they lost ie Humility + Starfield of Nyx + Honor of the Pure Assume humility then starfield so Honor of the Pure would be a 2/2 now would it gain +1/+1 or would its effect have been lost almost certain its the latter but you never know
This is actually one of the most complicated interactions in Magic.
From the gather rulings on Opalescence (which is basically the same as Starfield of Nyx):
10/1/2009:
This is the current interaction between Humility and Opalescence: The type-changing effect applies at layer 4, but the rest happens in the applicable layers. The rest of it will apply even if the permanent loses its ability before its finished applying. So if Opalescence, Humility, and Worship are on the battlefield and Opalescence entered the battlefield before Humility, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become creatures that are still enchantments. (Opalescence). Layer 6: Humility and Worship each lose their abilities. (Humility) Layer 7b: Humility becomes 4/4 and Worship becomes 4/4. (Opalescence). Humility becomes 1/1 and Worship becomes 1/1 (Humility). But if Humility entered the battlefield before Opalescence, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become creatures that are still enchantments (Opalescence). Layer 6: Humility and Worship each lose their abilities (Humility). Layer 7b: Humility becomes 1/1 and Worship becomes 1/1 (Humility). Humility becomes 4/4 and Worship becomes 4/4 (Opalescence).
Starfield of Nyx adds an extra layer of complexity by not being "on" all the time. Don't ask me how it's different. I'm not gonna give myself a headache over this.
April 8, 2017 5:02 a.m.
Yeah I know the interaction was a mess I been driving myself mad the past 24 hours but thank you all for confiming my thoughts appreciate the speedy answers
April 8, 2017 9:36 a.m.
somebodyrandom says... #4
If Humility and Opalescence both lose their abilities, but the abilities still apply, what happens if one leaves the battlefield? Do their abilities continue?
April 8, 2017 8:33 p.m.
No, if the source of the ability leaves, the ability stops applying, even though the source no longer had the ability.
Neotrup says... Accepted answer #1
So this is a very annoying situation. All your nonaura enchantments other than Starfield of Nyx are creatures with no abilities, so the power/toughness increases no longer apply. To be extra annoying, Humility doesn't have any abilities, because it removes it's own ability. But the ability it no longer has still works to remove those abilities. If you have a second Starfield of Nyx they'll both be creatures with no abilities, despite them only being creatures because of their abilities. So no, you don't get the bonus, but some things still work even though they shouldn't, because the game would fall apart if they stopped working, making them work again, making them stop again... And there are a bunch of rules involving layers to make it work this way.
April 8, 2017 1:46 a.m.