Howl of the Goggles...
Asked by DruneGrey 8 years ago
My brain hurts trying to figure this out. I know there was a question about multiple Howls before just making sure my math is right.
Scenario: I attack with a creature during combat. In Main Phase 2 I tap Pyromancer's Goggles into Howl of the Horde, followed by Lightning Strike.
So Goggles copies Howl as it is a red sorcery.
Howl A (cast with goggles)
Delayed Trigger of Copy Next
Delayed Trigger of Copy Next(with Raid)
Howl B (Goggles Copy) places 2 DT's
Howl B first Copy from A places 2 DT's
Howl B second Copy from A places 2 DT's
Six Delayed Triggers of Copy Next total?
TheRedMage says... #2
I am not sure what the question is. What happens in this scenario is that first the copied Howl of the Horde resolves, setting up two delayed trigger that will copy your next spell. Then the original Howl of the Horde will resolve, doing the same.
When you cast Lightning Strike, all four delayed triggers will trigger and go on the stack. You will get five copies of Lightning Strike, the original one plus one for each trigger i.e. the original one plus two for each Howl of the Horde.
August 25, 2015 4:22 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #3
Please check the first page of the Q&A before asking a question. This exact scenario, card for card, was asked about here yesterday.
Howl of the Horde says, "When you cast your next instant or sorcery spell this turn, copy that spell." This clause establishes a delayed triggered ability (DTA) that triggers the next time you cast an instant or sorcery spell.
Note that a copy of a spell is created on the stack and is therefore not cast. A copy effect will only allow you to cast something if the copy is created in another zone (typically exile), and its wording will explicitly instruct you to "cast" that object.
So when you cast Howl of the Horde using 
produced by Pyromancer's Goggles, you get a triggered ability that copies Howl of the Horde when it resolves. The original Howl of the Horde has still not resolved, so its DTA does not yet exist. Even if it did, the copy is created on the stack and is not cast, so you don't get to double your copy.
So when both the copy and original Howl of the Horde resolve, you will have, assuming that raid is true, four DTAs waiting to trigger the next time you cast an instant or sorcery spell this turn.
August 25, 2015 5:18 p.m.
Just so I'm clear, I know I got the order wrong, but the reason it's four and not six is because by the time the goggles copy resolves the original howl was already cast so it doesn't get to use the goggles howl copy triggers?
I must have overlooked the other question, my apologise. If, like this new question, it's just about why is Q&A the right place for gaining this understanding?
August 25, 2015 5:41 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #5
The Q&A is the correct place to ask questions about the game rules. You were right to come here.
As for the answer, a spell is considered cast when the casting process is complete. This happens before Pyromancer's Goggles's delayed triggered ability even triggers. A copy of a spell can never see the original being cast.
Rhadamanthus says... #1
Howl of the Horde's delayed trigger is for the next time you cast a spell. The copy created by Pyromancer's Goggles isn't cast, so it won't trigger any ability that looks for a spell being cast (also, the copy is put onto the stack on top of the original spell and will resolve before it anyway). In your example there will be 4 delayed triggers waiting at the time you cast Lightning Strike.
August 25, 2015 4:20 p.m.