How would Winter Orb and Hokori, Dust Drinker work together?

Asked by ferretersmith 9 years ago

My guess is Hokori, Dust Drinker 's first ability would negate the ability to untap even the one land that Winter Orb allows. Then all you would be left with is the one Hokori, Dust Drinker 's second ability allows. Is this correct?

Also, assuming this is two headed giant would Hokori, Dust Drinker 's second ability allow both teammates to untap two lands?

erabel says... #1

1. One of the golden rules of Magic is "Can't beats can". If Winter Orb says you can untap that one land during the untap step, and Hokori, Dust Drinker says you can't, then you can't.
2. In Two-Headed Giant, each player is a separate player, even if they have a shared life total. Each player would untap one of the lands they control.

July 25, 2014 3:05 p.m.

Absinthman says... #2

You are correct that Hokori, Dust Drinker effectively makes Winter Orb irrelevant.

For your second question, see the following rule: 810.5. With the exception of life total and poison counters, a teams resources (cards in hand, mana, and so on) are not shared in the Two-Headed Giant variant. Teammates may review each others hands and discuss strategies at any time. Teammates cant manipulate each others cards or permanents.

Lands aren't a shared resource in Two-Headed Giant, so both players get to untap one land each.

July 25, 2014 3:06 p.m.

ferretersmith says... #3

I know lands aren't shared but the two headed giant rule that concerns me is "Effects that trigger at the beginning of [each/your] step or phase will trigger once during that step or phase. Effects that trigger at the beginning of each [player's/opponent's] step or phase will trigger twice at the beginning of that step or phase once for each player on the team."

July 25, 2014 3:14 p.m.

Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #4

The part of that rule you are confused about is saying that Hokori, Dust Drinker will trigger twice, once for each player allowing that player to untap 1 land. So at the beginning of team AB's upkeep 2 Hokori, Dust Drinker triggers go on the stack. One allows Player A to untap pne of their lands and has no effect on Player B. The other allows Player B to untap one of their lands and has no effect on Player A.

July 25, 2014 3:28 p.m.

ferretersmith says... #5

That makes sense. Thanks Gidgetimer

July 25, 2014 3:36 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #6

Please remember to select an answer to remove this from the unanswered queue.

July 25, 2014 5:14 p.m.