Hofri Ghostforge and lifeline
Asked by Timdrakered 2 years ago
on board I have Hofri Ghostforge Lifeline Ashnods alter Solemn Simulacrum
Why wouldn’t lifeline work here?
I sack solemn , lifeline triggers I sack the solemn token hofri made putting solemn in the graveyard so when lifeline resolves wouldn’t it bring back my solemn?
Lifeline hurts my brain
Named_Tawyny says... Accepted answer #2
So the important thing to remember is that effects can only track a card to the first place it goes, unless it specifies otherwise (and I can't think of any that do).
So when to sack Solly to Ashnod's Altar , it will die and go to the graveyard. This will trigger both Lifeline (as a delayed trigger) and Hofri Ghostforge .
When Hofri's ability resolves, Solly will get moved from the graveyard to exile (and a token copy of Solly will be created). Once that movement happens, Lifeline loses track of Solly. It can't find it anymore, even if it eventually gets moved back to the graveyard.
So when the end of turn happens, and Lifeline looks for the Solemn Simulacrum that went from the Battlefield to the Graveyard, it can't find it, and the ability fizzles.
Does that help clear things up?
April 24, 2021 3:06 p.m.
Timdrakered says... #3
That cleared things up , Thank you! That was driving me crazy
April 24, 2021 3:08 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #4
When a card changes from one zone to another it is a new game object with no relation to it's previous existence. The game object that triggered Lifeline is a different game object than the one that entered the graveyard as a result of the token dying, despite being represented by the same physical card.
This interaction is closely related to how you can Cloudshift a creature to dodge Murder .
legendofa says... #1
You can't quite get to your desired outcome with this setup. This is how the scenario plays out:
Sacrifice Solemn Simulacrum to Ashnod's Altar . This adds and triggers Hofri 's ability. The Simulacrum is exiled from the graveyard and a token Spirit copy is created.
Sacrifice the Spirit token copy to Altar . The ability granted by Hofri returns the Simulacrum to the graveyard. Lifeline can't bring the Simulacrum back at end of turn, because the Simulacrum has changed zones and is treated as a new object. The Simulacrum in the graveyard is treated by the rules as different from the Simulacrum that was sacrificed to the Altar. This is similar to flickering a creature with counters; the creature returns from exile without the counters since it's a new object.
If someone more rules-y than me sees an error in my explanation, please respond.
April 24, 2021 3:05 p.m.