Gisela, Blade of Goldnight and Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar
Asked by dragonstryke58 3 years ago
Just wanted to double check this:
So if Gisela, Blade of Goldnight is my commander and I have Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar on the battlefield. When my commander Gisela, Blade of Goldnight deals combat damage to an opponent, that opponent will take 10 damage (due to Gisela, Blade of Goldnight's replacement effect) and my other opponents will take 20 damage (due to Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar's triggered ability and Gisela, Blade of Goldnight's replacement effect).
Since the damage from Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar's ability is a triggered ability, it is separate from the combat damage being dealt by my commander, thus being eligible to be doubled by Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, correct?
Friend is saying that because Gisela, Blade of Goldnight already doubled the damage from the commander's attack, it doesn't double the damage again when Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar's triggered ability deals damage to each other opponent.
dragonstryke58 says... #2
Thanks for the comment.
I am just wondering since the above scenario is an alternate version of my original idea.
With Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar and Ardenn, Intrepid Archaeologist as my commanders, I want Ardenn to give Kediss a Colossus Hammer with a damage doubler like Dictate of the Twin Gods on the field.
November 24, 2020 6:46 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #3
You will deal 10 to the attacked opponent and 20 to each other opponent. Gisela, Blade of Goldnight's ability is a replacement effect. Replacement effects can only apply to an event once. However the combat damage and the trigger from Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar are two different game events.
This interaction is one of the reasons that Repercussion is so good with damage doublers.
November 24, 2020 8:37 p.m.
DarkAres007 says... #5
Is Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar the source of the damage from the trigger effect?
Example 1: Ardenn, Intrepid Archaeologist with lifelink attacked but was not blocked, would you gain 2 or 6 in a 4 player match up.
Example 2: Ardenn, Intrepid Archaeologist attacked but not blocked and Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar had infect. Would the other 2 players take infect damage?
Eample 3: Ardenn, Intrepid Archaeologist with Sword of Body and Mind attached. Does trigger effects other opponents milling them 10 card and controller gaining 3 wolves?
TIA
January 1, 2021 9:05 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #6
The commander creature that dealt the damage that triggers the effect is the source of the damage to each other opponent. Kediss says "Whenever a commander you control..., it deals that.." The "it" refers to the creature dealing the original damage. It is not however combat damage. Combat damage is only the damage caused by a creature in the combat damage step as a result of being an attacking or blocking creature.
So to address your scenarios. 1 is lifelink damage from the trigger netting 6 life. 2 the trigger damage is not infect. 3 you don't get extra Sword of Body and Mind triggers since the trigger damage is not combat damage.
January 1, 2021 1:43 p.m.
DarkAres007 says... #7
Thank you for the answer. That really explains a lot for my play group. We had an hour discussion over it and pretty much all of us were wrong.
Omniscience_is_life says... #1
“Gisela doubles damage dealt to opponents and permanents your opponents control from any source, including sources controlled by those opponents.”, says gatherer. That means every instance of damage dealt is doubled, including Kediss’ trigger’s damage, as a static replacement. Gidgetimer would know for sure, as would sergiodelrio
November 24, 2020 6:27 p.m.