Does Continues +X/+X damage buff based on X being power stack with a double strike?
Asked by ShadowTheNullOne 2 years ago
Context and Explanation: I have a custom sliver deck (in person deck so I can't really link it without linking every single card individually).
And Problem is.... Most of my slivers have rediculous damage do to double strike, but low toughness allowing for them to be killed by lower lvl creatures (ruining the entire point of attacking with them unless I use my Planeswalker to give trample).
To Counter this I decided to get Xenagos, God of Revels , where not just is he indestructible as long as my devotion to red and green is below 7 (like most other god cards have) but his card reads "At the beginning of combat on your turn, another target creature you control gains haste and gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is that creature's power."
Problem about this though... Is that idk wether the creatures overall power buff for the turn in this case is built upon the combat damage steps power. Or the The Combat Damage Phases power total as a whole.
Put in a
Xenagos’s trigger looks at power. Double strike doesn’t double power, it just makes the creature deal damage twice in separate steps. So if you had a 9/3 double strike sliver, it would get +9/+9 because that’s its power.
April 10, 2022 3:43 p.m.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you aren't playing double strike correctly. It's an extremely powerful ability that makes lower toughness creatures less of a threat.
When you have a first or double strike creature in combat, there are two combat damage steps. First strikers deal damage in the first one, double strikers deal damage in both, and normal creatures only deal damage in the second. Any creature dealt lethal damage during the first strike damage step will die before the normal step, so as long as your double strike Slivers have enough power to one-shot their blockers, they won't take damage back (unless the blockers also have first strike, double strike, or indestructible etc).
So if you have a 5/1 creature with double strike, it will survive combat against anything with up to 5 toughness, and will trade with anything up to 10 toughness.
April 11, 2022 12:24 a.m.
ShadowTheNullOne says... #4
So, Combat Damage Steps power the buff works during Thnks Gidgetimer
April 13, 2022 2:31 a.m.
ShadowTheNullOne says... #5
I also just realized why everyone is confused LMFAO.... I had a typo
April 13, 2022 4:33 a.m.
ShadowTheNullOne says... #6
For any onlooker curious where the typo is: Imma snitch on myself. I meant "Combat Phase", not "Combat Damage Phase" XD
Sorry to trigger any OCD for those who didn't realize.i just figured I would mention it to help clear up any confusion on what I was saying for those answering.
Alright, Time to be Normal Anti-Social me again. Thanks for putting up with the typo peeps
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #1
I'm not sure what your question is, so I will just explain how the mentioned cards work and hope that it answers your question.
Let's assume you have Muscle Sliver and Bonesplitter Sliver out and you attack with them and only them in each of the following scenarios. Each is getting +2/+0 and +1/+1. Muscle Sliver will be a 4/2 and Bonesplitter Sliver will be a 5/3. Each will do their damage on the regular combat damage step for a total of 9 damage.
If we add in Striking Sliver each will do their damage on the first strike damage step for a total of 9 damage.
Removing Striking Sliver and substituting in Bonescythe Sliver each will do damage on both the first strike and normal combat damage steps for a total of 18 damage.
Continuing with Bonescythe Sliver being out and adding in Xenagos, God of Revels, at the beginning of combat you will give a creature +X/+X until end of turn, where X is its power. You chose the Bonesplitter Sliver because it is slightly larger. It gets +5/+5 and goes from being a 5/3 to a 10/8 until end of turn. Both slivers deal damage in the first strike damage step and the normal damage step for a total of 28 damage.
April 8, 2022 1:33 a.m.