can dreadhorde arcanist cast ancestral vision from the graveyard
Asked by Baconofunrest 4 years ago
lots of people on many websites seem to have decks posted with this inteaction. I just got told by a judge it does not work. I need a second and preferably definitive opinion.
I see some people posting snapcaster and visions also, which I know doesn't work and know why. It explicitly says so on the gatherer website in the rulings section.
Please help
Would also want to know if it works with goblin dark-dwellers
The short of it is that you can't pay a mana cost that doesn't exist, but if an effect allows you to apply an alternative cost (such as "cast without paying its mana cost"), then you are allowed to do so.
Per the rules that Raging_Squiggle quoted, Ancestral Vision has a CMC that meets the conditions (0 is less than or equal to the target number), and both cards allow you to cast it without paying its mana cost if you meet that condition. So both Dreadhorde Arcanist and Goblin Dark-Dwellers will allow you to play Vision from your graveyard.
Compare to Chandra, Acolyte of Flame 's -2 ability, which specifically does not apply an alternative cost. Since you would still have to pay the spell's cost, and you can't pay a cost that doesn't exist, you could not use This ability with Ancestral Vision .
Raging_Squiggle says... Accepted answer #1
202.3a The converted mana cost of an object with no mana cost is 0.
117.6. Some mana costs contain no mana symbols. This represents an unpayable cost. An ability can also have an unpayable cost if its cost is based on the mana cost of an object with no mana cost. Attempting to cast a spell or activate an ability that has an unpayable cost is a legal action. However, attempting to pay an unpayable cost is an illegal action.
117.6a If an unpayable cost is increased by an effect or an additional cost is imposed, the cost is still unpayable. If an alternative cost is applied to an unpayable cost, including an effect that allows a player to cast a spell without paying its mana cost, the alternative cost may be paid.
Based on these rules, it would work fine.
December 14, 2019 4:17 a.m.