H: One With Death

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Posted on Oct. 15, 2020, 6:53 p.m. by TheRealSpecialK

I have a NM One with Death. I have been looking for either a Scroll Rack or an Eternal Masters Vampiric Tutor - would anyone be interested in a potential trade? Because One with Death is such a unique card, I know its price is hard to gauge, and I would be happy to negotiate. My trade binder here seems to be broken, so if you would like to see anything else I have check out my deckbox Page .

So, this is this kind of thing that TCG market price was designed to help with. There are four sellers listing One with Death on TCG, all at about $200. If you were to go by the median price, or the low price, or the high price, you'd end up at between roughly $130-250.

Does that make the card worth $130-250? Absolutely not. The Market price shows the price the card actually sells for - close to $25. The sellers listing at $200 do not expect to sell those cards. Some might use that price as a placeholder that discourages people from ordering the card, if they don't have it in stock. Others might be advertising that they DO have it in stock, and are hoping to drive traffic to their own online store. Hard to know exactly why. You're correct that this makes the actual value hard to determine, but at any rate, here's the information you have:

1) This card is not playable in any format.
2) This card is actively bad, even if it were playable in any format.
3) It's bad in a way that can't be built around, negating even any attraction for insane people who want to make its namesake, One with Nothing, playable. I should know - I'm definitely one of those people.
4) From 1) 2) and 3) we can conclude that this card has value exclusively to collectors.
5) It recently sold for less than $25.

I'll leave it to you to determine if you think asking to trade for two cards that are both payable in multiple eternal formats, have both established themselves as incredibly powerful cards in more than one format (Tutor is both banned in Legacy and restricted in Vintage), and both command price tags near $100 (including both list pricing AND the prices at which they actually sell), seems like a reasonable offer.

October 16, 2020 12:43 a.m. Edited.

PhotogenicParasympathetic Thanks for the detailed response. I have heard very mixed things about the test cards and their value. I haven't used the TCG market price much - rather I usually reference the lowest price listed as of when I check to use as a baseline when determining card value. I can see how the TCG Market price is important in situations like this.

October 16, 2020 1:06 p.m.

You're very welcome. That all, by the way, is not to say the card is worthless - just that you're going to have a hard time trading it for high value game pieces. If you're looking to move it, a better bet would be trying to find a collector's group on facebook to sell it, then purchase the cards you want with the funds.

October 16, 2020 4:34 p.m.

PhotogenicParasympathetic Thanks for the advice - I'll definitely look into that. I also just might hold on to it - I think it will be interesting to see how time/demand affects the mystery booster test cards.

October 16, 2020 6:23 p.m.

metalmagic says... #6

Whoah whoah whoah now hold on a second there PhotogenicParasympathetic, can't be built around?? All you have to do is cast it when there is a Hive Mind in play and you win! Ezpz

October 16, 2020 7:32 p.m.

I'm going to offer a different opinion. This card is worth a LOT more than $25. It may only be valuable to collectors, but that still gives it value, and in many cases lots of value.

More importantly, this card just got bought out. Its price is not well-defined until it settles. Currently, tcglow is $120. It is not worth $120, but it's worth closer to $120 than $25. Nobody has listed it for less than $120 yet. If I owned one I'd probably list it for sale for $75-$100 and try to sell it fast.

If you list it for $25 it will sell as soon as someone sees it. If you list for $50 it would still probably sell fast.

People on tcg who list way above market price are either waiting for a card to go up in value or the card was once worth more and they have not updated their prices. For this card it could be either.

If you do a buyout on a $20 card and want it to be worth $50 afterwards, then you have to buy every copy for sale for less than $50. Meaning if someone lists theirs on tcgplayer for $40, it will get bought for $40 when the buyout happens. That could be why these people had listings for $200.

The playtest cards have also had very dynamic prices. When they first appeared nobody knew what they should be worth, so they priced high. These listings could be from that time and nobody bought them and they have remained ever since.

Another option is these are people who saw the buyout happen and listed theirs for sale in case someone desperate would buy them. Sellers will undercut each other until people start buying and then the new price is found.

My point is that this card is not worth $25 anymore, even if it was a few days ago. $100 is almost certainly too much. But plenty of collectors will trade staple cards for collector items, since staple cards are easily replaced and collector items can be hard to find. But if you want to get the best value, your best bet is to sell it quickly.

October 18, 2020 3:07 p.m.

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