New hubs to be added
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Posted on Nov. 12, 2020, 12:28 a.m. by legendofa
Hi all, I'm one of the people who adds hubs, I'm back from an unexpectedly long break, and I'm working on adding some new stuff. Suggestions I'm looking at are Uro, Mutate, Miracles, Doomsday, Adventures, Devoted Druid, and Blink. Please let me know of any other suggestions, or discussions on the ones I listed, and I'll get to work.
Also, what did I miss with the DragonShield superhero stuff?
Unformat. Especially if there's a way to distinguish the parts of the UN sets that don't break the metagame - no references to the physical world or players or events or cards outside of the current game, and no gotcha or other skill or attention tests.
This leaves things like contraptions, host/augment, fractional or infinite damage, and references to card text or art. Lots of creative stuff that is totally legit in casual.
August 11, 2021 5:04 p.m.
Is there a hub for decks which employ a complete sideboard swap that alters the modality of the deck from its original approach? An example may be Sideburn - Complete sideboard swap or Dragons Can Count to 20: Budget + Sideboard Swap.
This is a deck building approach may not yet have great traction among deck building communities, but I've seen a few decks following this approach on this site and others, and I think it may warrant a hub even if only to represent a niche deck building style.
August 12, 2021 10:45 a.m.
aastimson Unformat should be selectable under the format, not as a hub.
DBCooper There isn't a hub for that, and in my opinion, it's still too niche to develop. I like the style, but I think it just doesn't have enough representation to be a unique hub.
All--I'm changing the name of Aikido to Femme_Fatale's suggestion of Tactical Appropriation as a trial run and see if it sticks.
August 12, 2021 11:49 a.m.
I haven't seen how you guys code things so I assume this is would be a colossal usage of resources for what may be a simple UI consideration, but has there been thought of hubs being format dependent? 12-post will never be EDH relevant for example, but is a legacy staple.
As for current hubs, I agree party seems to be non-viable for tournaments but idk if people just like building it. I also wonder if maybe having some numeric power level hubs of 6, 7, 8 for EDH in addition to the existing competitive/casual ones might be nice. Though I get it would clog up the interface for other formats.
August 18, 2021 6:58 p.m.
Atsuma they should be already format dependant in some cases... maybe we just need to limit them better... where are you seeing the clutter? Feel free to suggest them and we will attach them
August 18, 2021 7:02 p.m.
12-post, 8-rack, amulet titan, belcher, dark depth's, death's shadow, delver, gifts ungiven, landstill, Lutri, Yorion are all archetypes that likely don't fit for EDH, either being banned cards or reliant on inconsistent cards.
collected company, Niv to light, living end, post rotation, show and tell, izzet phoenix, stoneblade and all the other companions that are EDH legal are all probably not suitable for EDH, but I could see some arguments made for them.
That's just from a quick look at my EDH deck's categories that pop up. Also, I think you moved birthing pod off of the list of possible categories and I actually had a Rayami Pod deck.
Thank you so much for curating these hubs, I know managing database tags can be a pain but I really value that you guys put the effort in to keep them relevant.
August 19, 2021 10:07 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #9
shadow63: That's not the intent of their comment. They mean for hubs to not show up with a specific format selected to keep the list trimmed.
August 19, 2021 11:21 p.m.
Is Copycat worthy of having a hub? Decks using the Felidar Guardian + Saheeli Rai combo? I noticed the deck on MTGTop8 and similar in the Modern builds.
August 20, 2021 9:49 a.m. Edited.
[Hub maintainers can now nix or make exclusive hubs per format, so please keep the suggestions coming]
August 20, 2021 12:11 p.m.
Turbo Naus, short for Turbo Ad Nauseam, has become a defining deck type in competitive EDH that may be worth its own hub.
August 20, 2021 6:26 p.m.
Ace_Extreme says... #13
Hi I would love a "Politics" hub. It's a pretty well known concept in EDH.
August 21, 2021 6:22 p.m.
Thanks for the ad naus hub, I also just though of another archetype revolving around enter the battlefield effects on creatures.
ETB would probably be the most relevant hub name, and a related hub may be ETG. ETB is fairly common in EDH but ETG is common enough that a hub wouldn't be unreasonable.
August 22, 2021 1:30 a.m.
kookoo Welcome to the site! The Enrage mechanic should be selectable from the ability/keyword checklist. As for specifically referring Stuffy Doll line, that's going to be a little bit too niche to make as a hub.
Ace_Extreme There's been some discussion on whether Politics is worthy of a hub, or if it's simply part of the definition of multiplayer formats. Right now, it's on the long list of potential hubs, so it needs a lot of review and might get declined. But in the interest of full consideration, would you please provide a clear and concise definition of Politics that makes it unique and separate from other hubs and typical multiplayer activity?
August 22, 2021 8:25 p.m.
I think a politics hub could be relevant for decks specializing in uniquely multiplayer strategies involving mechanics like Council's Judgment, Wishclaw Talisman, Tempt with Discovery, Parasitic Impetus and the monarch cards to promote aggression like Marchesa's Decree.
August 24, 2021 11:16 p.m.
Lobster_Emperor says... #17
Is there a "tribal" tag? And if there isn't, then why the hell hasn't that became a thing yet?
August 28, 2021 5:39 a.m.
Lobster_Emperor says... #19
There isn't one for "Phyrexian", which I know is an extremely new creature type, but yeah.
I still feel like there should be a generic "tribal" tag.
August 30, 2021 1:33 a.m.
there should be... if you have any phrexians in the deck you should get a checkbox you can use to tag the tribe
August 30, 2021 3:55 a.m.
yeaGO, I submitted a request for the new Phyrexian tribal subtype to be added as a hub option about a month ago and it still hasn't been added. Praetors are there, just not phyrexian.
August 30, 2021 5:17 a.m. Edited.
Mortlocke the hubs will only appear when you've got one in there... link to deck you're having problems with?
September 2, 2021 11:57 p.m. Edited.
Thanks yeaGO,
The Song of Phyresis
Commander / EDH
SCORE: 278 | 139 COMMENTS | 25792 VIEWS | IN 105 FOLDERS
Now a phyrexian tribal deck due to the MH2 retcon.
September 3, 2021 1:07 a.m.
ExoZaeL shrines aren't popular enough and mana fetch is ramp
September 3, 2021 6:36 a.m.
Mortlocke fixed this up. We just didn't have the updated types on those
September 3, 2021 6:51 a.m.
tiffanyann says... #30
Wondering how much interest there would be in a "Gumballs" hub. I know we have Budget but it's kinda broad. Gumballs would be mainly 25 cent cards, maybe a few "prizes ball" bombs. Seen a lot of cool Mavinda Brawl decks etc that use this theme.
September 17, 2021 7:55 a.m.
i think its a valid hub, just tough to know if there are a lot of numbers to support it. I searched and only found about about 5 decks that were going for the .25 theme.
September 17, 2021 2:39 p.m.
yeaGO, i'm trying to fix the newly errata'd Phyrexian cards (for the Phyrexian tribal hub - thank you for adding that!) but unfortunately the "fix card" function doesn't include all of the new sub-types. For example Ascendant Evincar is now a Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Vampire Noble according it's Gatherer page. Is there a way to modify the "fix card" tool to include multiple subtypes? i.e. add additional drop down menus for subtypes so I can choose "phyrexian" "vampire" and "noble"? Alternatively, just have the field accept strings?
September 22, 2021 3:16 p.m. Edited.
For now easiest would be to add a wrong one and fix it later... but i added it
I have thought about a system similar to what you say. It could happen.
September 22, 2021 3:22 p.m.
yeaGO, I'm not sure what would be the easiest solution when it comes to fixing the 200+ Phyrexian tribal cards. Because now I come to you with some additional cards that don't have their exact types listed in the Fix Card tool creature subtype database.
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Belbe, Corrupted Observer is now listed as a Phyrexian Zombie Elf
I can keep bringing fixes for you one by one, but I think you'll get tired of my posts real quick.
September 26, 2021 7:59 a.m.
Might be a bit niche since people generally dislike the mechanic, but perhaps Companion as a hub? It’s probably not common, but I think the ones that do use it are worth grouping together because they’re pretty different due to their limitations.
October 27, 2021 6:58 a.m.
Evenir Each individual companion has their own hub. If you want to check out a companion decklist or add a hub to your deck, use the companion's name.
Because the companions all force different decks, there's not really enough mechanical similarity between them to justify a single hub. It's ultimately a restriction, rather than a mechanic.
October 27, 2021 10:05 a.m.
Squanch622 says... #37
Why isn't their a hub for ETB's. THere are so many decks that are centered around that one effect and I can't find a hub for it.
November 6, 2021 2:30 a.m.
I dont know if this thread is still active but I think Birthing Pod should have its own Hub, If you call it something generic like 'Pod' it will also apply to other cards like Prime Speaker Vannifar, Fiend Artisan and Oswald Fiddlebender
November 8, 2021 10:45 a.m.
Squanch622 The Blink hub would cover most ETB effects, unless you have something else specific in mind.
Scheer218 The Creature Cheat hub is intended to cover Pod-type effects, getting a creature into play for free.
November 8, 2021 11:26 a.m.
Squanch622 says... #40
It's honestly for mostly my yarok deck which is doubling etb's as well
November 9, 2021 1:14 a.m.
Blinking is heavily restricted to blue and white in the color pie, but one could have decks that focus on etbs and are never those colors. I second the need the for an ETB hub.
November 10, 2021 7:26 a.m.
Okay, I'm open for discussion. Could you please give me an example of an ETB deck that's not Yarok, the Desecrated Commander or Blink? Every color has cards with abilities that trigger when they or something else enters, and I feel like "a deck built around permanents with abilities that trigger upon entering the battlefield" is very broad, almost on par with "a deck built around creatures attacking."
Cheerios, maybe. So what do Cheerios and Yarok EDH have in common?
November 10, 2021 9:45 a.m.
I'd like to suggest possibly adding "Shrine" to the list. There seems to be one for Curses, but not Shrine. Not that many use the Shrine cards, but when I do it would be cool to be able to list that as one of the things people can quick check.
December 7, 2021 1:51 p.m.
Is there consideration of an ‘8-whack’ hub for Reckless Bushwhacker & Goblin Bushwhacker builds?
December 26, 2021 10:24 a.m.
Deadshot5459 says... #45
Steal should be a hub, between historic cards like Thief of Sanity, or Siphon Insight in standard. There way more of those type cards, both in legacy, historic, standard, and others (probably). It should have its own thread, plus it's kinda hard to classify those decks, without a steal hub. Possibly names could be "Steal", "steal deck", and others I'm open to suggestions.
January 5, 2022 8:03 a.m.
I think theft would probably be a better name for the tag
January 5, 2022 8:43 a.m.
The Tactical Appropriation hub was originally called Aikido, intending to cover all strategies that used your opponent's cards against them, including effects like Deflecting Palm, Clone, Swerve, or Act of Treason. That name seemed to be insufficiently descriptive, so it changed. The new name looks like it's not capturing the idea. My objection to the Theft name is that it doesn't cover the Clone or Deflecting Palm ideas. Should Theft and Redirection be separate hubs?
January 5, 2022 11:35 a.m.
Deadshot5459 says... #48
Possibly, I think not though, there are two few (in the large scale of things) to classify them both separately, plus if you did two separate hubs for that then you would have cards almost exclusively dimir coloring, and the other almost exclusively izzit colorings. I think the combined would be better as it would factor in a lot of other cards, like Kiora Bests the Sea God, or the one Tibalt, Cosmic Imposter. Now we just need a name... Acquire? Procure? wait, I got it... Divert The cards all divert another card's target or divert it from the owners hand. Or divert it from the owner's control. So a new hub, for cards that change targets that another player has set, change the control a target creature is under, and change who can play said spell, called Divert.
January 10, 2022 5:11 p.m.
Would "Theft" warrant it's own hub? I love commanders like Xanathar, Guild Kingpin and Marchesa, the Black Rose but I don't know hub I'd use to describe them outside of that
January 12, 2022 12:41 a.m.
I'll be reviewing for a Theft hub here soon. It's by far the most popular current request, and apparently the name Tactical Appropriation isn't conveying the right idea.
My current thoughts:
Rename Tactical Appropriation to Theft. I don't like this one, because it seems to preclude the cards I mentioned before, like Deflecting Palm or Clone. Also, it's already had one name change.
Rename Tactical Appropriation to something else. It used to be called Aikido--if anyone has any other suggestions, please put them in here.
Split Tactical Appropriation into Theft and Redirection. This might be the cleanest option, but it's going to require a very fine distinction between similar strategies, and I'm concerned more time will be spent listing what each one isn't, instead of what each one is.
I'm happy to check out other suggestions as well.
Femme_Fatale says... #1
I recommended a while back a renaming of the term to "tactical appropriation", since that's the closest shortest english translation.
August 10, 2021 5:48 p.m.