All things Wolven
Posted on March 26, 2016, 12:26 p.m. by clayperce
If you want to talk about Wolves and Werewolves in Standard, you're in the right place!
- You're 100% welcome to post here asking for help on anything Wolven, though you may want to set up a separate thread as well, in the Standard Deck Help forum.
- Please don't hesitate to post your deck in large format (it makes it easier for others to find the decks that are asking for help).
- Here's the syntax for a large format deck ... just copy-and-paste, replacing the "gruul-wolves-soi" part with the "slug name" from your deck's URL:
FNM (6 Jan 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): just-another-jundyard-dog-rec-12-5 by VexxValentine ($$$$)
FNM (15 Jul 2016)
FNM (8 July 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): deck:naya-wolves-and-humans-bring-on-the-pain by snarlmkiv (Naya, $$)
Tues Standard (5 July 2016)
FNM (1 July 2016)
- 1st Place (3-0): deck:naya-wolves-and-humans-bring-on-the-pain by snarlmkiv (Naya, $$)
- 1st Place (3-0): Arlinn's Aggro Wolves by Jonnyradd ($$)
FNM (25 May 2016)
FNM (6 May 2016)
GAME DAY (30 Apr - 1 May 2016)
- 1st Place: Bark at The Moon (Orig Preying Baby deck) by BlueEyes (Heirloom, $$$)
- Top 8: deck:gruul-werewolves-with-removal by snarlmkiv (Heirloom, $$)
- Top 8: Westvale Wolven High GAME DAY TOP EIGHT by Rabid_Wombat (Zada, $)
- Top 8: Wolf Pack Attack by deltacobra (Zada, Temur, $$$)
FNM (29 Apr 2016)
FNM (22 Apr 2016)
Some great posts that will otherwise be totally buried as the thread grows ...
- An article about CoCo from Post #106: "I'd want 22 hittable creatures at the very least before putting Collected Company in my main deck. This gives a 5% chance of missing completely, a 21% probability of hitting one creature, and a 74% probability of hitting two creatures." Thanks, DaftVader!
- The budget Werewolf Quickbuild from the Top Deck podcast, at Post #198. Thanks, Spootyone and EAK1791!
- An explanation of Moonlight Hunt vs. Archangel Avacyn Flip, at Post #270. Thanks, AndyReveler!
- An article about shoring up weaknesses vs. playing to strengths in sideboarding, from Post #309.
- Wedge's video, R/G Werewolves "$20 Budget" Tribal Standard Deck Tech, from Post #396. Thanks, Axinoim!
- Posts about the Werewolf decks that tore it up at the SOI Standard Poor-Man Challenge (no Rares or Mythics allowed): Post #528, Post #644, and Post #650. Congrats to Kizmetto and magnetcrocodile (Round 2), Volvary (Round 3), and DruneGrey (Round 4)!
- A manabase article which describes the "right" mix of Shadowlands (like Game Trail), Battlelands (like Cinder Glade), and other sources, from Post #610. Thanks, Ryjo!
- A look at the numbers of Wolfs, Pump spells, and Lands in the SOI ZadaFur decks in the Hall of Fame, from Post #728.
- A look at Lambholt Pacifist 's performance in the World Championship and various Grand Prix, from Post #864. [Spoiler alert: She won!]
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... the [All things Wolven](http://tappedout.net/mtg-forum/standard-deck-help/all-things-wolven/) thread!
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And here's the code for it ...
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March 26, 2016 12:30 p.m. Edited.
Tagging a ton of folks ...
Argeaux, Axinoim, bartlettphoto, Bite_Za_Dusto, blightblues, bluechandra, canterlotguardian, CheeseBro, CloudThumper, CrossProduct, crunabizz, Darnick, Donnejac0, drathys, Draxes33, dthscythe, dudeperson97, EddieRhino, EllasDad, Fiochv2, flufflesauce, flyingthing, FYREKNIGHT, Gameover209X, gitrog_the_frog_spits_on_fools, HairyManBack, hyena69, Insomnyaq, iTork, Jehomovah, jeskiatothemaX, , Katarkind, Kizmetto, Linerwood2k, Mad_Guns22, Madaraximundar, MangaVentFreak13, mavoricke, maxmichell, MetaMaster22, mlms13, Moomey101, MorgsJ, MrSpicyShot, Mtg_mill, MTGNuclear, multimedia, MurderHood, Noctem, NotSquishedYet, pedrofausto, Pethrax, polydamas, robo12385, Ryjo, ShadowPantheon12, TAPAKAH_B_TAIIKAX, ThatLilOnewGlasses, the.beanpole, TheInsanelyMadWizard, Tunichtgut, whatskraken, WT
March 26, 2016 1:08 p.m.
Would you mind if I tagged an old deck, my werewolf deck from original innistrad?
March 26, 2016 1:11 p.m.
Not at all! You probably learned a lot of lessons the hard way with that deck, and I truly appreciate anything you can share with me and other newer Werewolf players!
March 26, 2016 1:15 p.m.
I don't have anything wolven, but I'd like to see if a couple of my decks provide those tough matchups. :P I'll try to get SOI-legal lists up, and brew something new on the way.
March 26, 2016 1:39 p.m.
Cool! I just made a Werewolf Tribal deck this morning. Haven't had the time to really work on it 100% cause I'm at work and phones suck for this. Check it out;
March 26, 2016 1:40 p.m.
Oh, that'd be great! I'd really like to get a good Gauntlet going ...
March 26, 2016 1:41 p.m.
I think I've already got a rotation-proof R/W Equipment deck that, upon testing, seems hellishly powerful and easily capable of winning turn 4-6. I'll put it up.
March 26, 2016 1:46 p.m.
I'm a lurker. :) But if anyone wants to use anything I've built to playset with or against, be my guest. I'll take everything off of private in a sec.
March 26, 2016 1:58 p.m.
Alright. Got the equipment decklist up. Here it is for anyone who wants to test:
March 26, 2016 2:13 p.m.
I'll test it out when I get home tonight with my (Gruul) Werewolf Tribal deck. Thanks for the upload!
March 26, 2016 2:20 p.m.
If you want to test against control, I have a (sort of) control deck, but it's not exactly traditional control... I have a feeling it will get god stomped by werewolves, but here it is anyway:
SCORE: 1 | 24 VIEWS
March 26, 2016 2:24 p.m.
How do you share you deck like that so it shows the our chart and everything?
March 26, 2016 2:28 p.m.
Posting some of the Wolf decks we were discussing earlier. Totally sorry if I missed anyone!
35 VIEWS | IN 1 FOLDER
SCORE: 2 | 1 COMMENT | 108 VIEWS
And of course, mine :-)
SCORE: 51 | 55 COMMENTS | 6760 VIEWS | IN 35 FOLDERS
March 26, 2016 2:30 p.m.
I gotcha covered.
But for futrure ref, it's like this:
March 26, 2016 2:32 p.m.
I am working on a themed Werewolf deck. Currently sitting at 42 cards (as of this writing).
I will certainly add 4x Moonlight Hunt as in theme removal.
Possibly a couple Rabid Bite, but it is significantly less potent (unless I have only one creature out).
The biggest challenge will be deciding between the 3 drop werewolves.
Hermit of the Natterknolls / Lone Wolf of the Natterknolls
Geier Reach Bandit / Vildin Pack Alpha
all bring something different. Thanks to Krallenhorde Howler I would probably feel comfortable running 10 of the 3 drops as long as I keep almost everything else 1-2.
Might also consider Skin Invasion / Skin Shedder, Big dogs probably have big fleas, and it could help supplement my lack of one drops.
What do you guys think?
March 26, 2016 3:34 p.m.
I think you just showed me a few cards I'll be putting into my deck build! Thanks for the share!
IMO, I like the Hermit. It'll make your oppent think twice before casting that instant.
March 26, 2016 3:42 p.m.
This is my old standard deck from original Innistrad. As you can see, mainly put creatures out, waited a turn or if lucky, the opponent didn't cast anything, and then swung for the kill, as the flip sides of these guys were killer.
March 26, 2016 3:58 p.m.
Since most of the cards in this deck are spoiled a few posts above I'm not going to worry about posting pics. Except and
2x Arlinn Kord
March 26, 2016 4:17 p.m.
Sorry pics down below. Do you think it could work as a deck option?
March 26, 2016 4:20 p.m.
Silverfur Partisan + Line Wolf of Natterknolls I think go great together. Other player burn down one of your werewolf it's no problem. You'll get 2/2 wolf token and get to draw 2 cards. GG
March 26, 2016 4:29 p.m.
March 26, 2016 4:33 p.m.
I think it's worth nothing that this deck should run several instants so you can transform your werewolves but still use your mana effectively.
March 26, 2016 4:42 p.m.
Instants are a dual edged sword though. If an opponent is able to play 2 spells, or if you play 2 instants on their turn, you just wasted your last turn because they all flip right back. Werewolves are a hard tribal to play, because you have to balance your setup with aggression, tempo, and timing of when to force a transformation.
March 26, 2016 5:01 p.m.
Is Sin Prodder worth running in werewolves? It takes up the 3 slot where you'd play a few other werewolves, but the burn/ card advantage seems worth it.
March 26, 2016 5:31 p.m.
If you are planning on midrange werewolves, possibly, you would just need to be extremely careful of your mana base and timing when playing it. Too soon and you opponent will be able to potentially mana screw you, or in the case of the new u/b reanimated deck, set up a huge swing back by taking a hit from your bomb being flipped of Sin Prodder and then stealing it
March 26, 2016 6:20 p.m.
If anyone could test it out against the control deck i brewed seems good. R/G wolves will be a thing and id like a good gameplan and vice versa I'm sure
SCORE: 3 | 17 COMMENTS | 1096 VIEWS | IN 1 FOLDER
March 26, 2016 7:15 p.m.
I think a creature heavy werewolf deck with Collected Company could also work quite well, as all their best stuff is cost 3 and below. Not something I am personally interested in, just throwing it out there.
March 26, 2016 7:19 p.m.
Ooh i'd love to throw my deck into the mix! Its CoCo werewolves!
SCORE: 3 | 7 COMMENTS | 388 VIEWS
focusing on the card Collected Company and as AverageBoss mentioned; lots of the best werewolves are under 3 cmc. Work in progress, i think the deck needs another aggressive 1 drop to truly make it an aggro CoCo build. Suggestions welcome, im thinking that Falkenrath Gorger might suit as a 2 or 3 of, to make up 1 drop numbers.
March 26, 2016 10:33 p.m.
Falkenrath Gorger... Now that's an interesting idea. One thing I like to do is play mind games with my opponent. Often, I give them hard choices like Citadel Castellan where unlike Sylvan Advocate you get that whispering voice in the back of your head that "you could have prevented it and lived....
Why not make them think you're running Jund Vampires and throw their minds and game plans to hell with a good one-drop, even if you won't use it?
March 26, 2016 10:40 p.m.
Kizmetto, other one drops are- Goblin Glory Chaser, Dragonmaster Outcast, Lightning Berserker, Honored Heirarch. I give them all a bit of a boost over the vamp as they actually give value you can use.
March 26, 2016 10:54 p.m.
Insolent Neonate could be another viable 1 drop for you. Sneaks in a bit of damage then blow him up and a card your not using for a new card.
March 26, 2016 11:01 p.m.
NotSquishedYet mind games IS alot of fun, even holding up some mana and flicking your cards is such a great trick.
Falkenrath Gorger people do see this and think vampire tribal immediately, i see it as a 2/1 for R with no downside. Great aggro card!
March 26, 2016 11:02 p.m.
Pethrax ooh, i didnt even consider Dragonmaster Outcast which could give me some lategame advantage! I do like this, as well as Lightning Berserker i could punch in extra damage with its firebreathing. Thank you, i think they are better than Falkenrath Gorger in the CoCo shell.
AverageBoss he's not bad either, since Collected Company wants creatures, the creatures that can create advantage are highly valued, like this guy. and in red too! he's a serious candidate for the extra 1-drops, thanks! i didn't even see him.
March 26, 2016 11:05 p.m.
Here's what we do: Swap the mind games FOR the Outcast! XD Screw around with their head even more, and keep the bomb game running.
March 26, 2016 11:11 p.m.
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March 27, 2016 2:03 a.m.
Does anyone have a good idea on a side board for a full werewolf deck?
March 27, 2016 3:21 a.m.
The idea being passed around right now seems to be a confusing-as-hell midrange build to board in game one and pop the super-combo game two when it's least expected.
March 27, 2016 4:30 a.m.
i've got a very generic sideboard because im not sure what the meta will be, but it has Hermit of the Natterknolls in the SB for control match ups. And moonlight hunt also in the sideboard for decks that have one or two main creatures.
March 27, 2016 5:35 a.m.
I'm planning to build a Gruul Wolves deck using only creatures from the Innistrad block and the Shadows Over Innistrad block. It's gonna be epic. >:-D
March 27, 2016 9:37 a.m.
To add to the sideboard discussion:
Flyerhate. Not sure yet if it should he MB or SB, but we absolutely are going to need some Flyerhate. For spells, I like Vines of the Recluse but Atarka's Command is awesome as it's always been too. Not sure what Creature is best.
I've found Dragonmaster Outcast to be nearly useless except for a way to soak up removal. But precisely because of that, I think it may have a place in the combo deck: To eat removal before dropping Zada ...
March 27, 2016 10:07 a.m. Edited.
A way to hate on Creatures with Flying.
Like gravehate = ways to mess with decks that depend on Graveyard shenanigans, etc ...