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Posted on July 9, 2024, 5:52 p.m. by Coward_Token

Despite being terminally lazy, I’m apparently the only one who’s allowed to start threads on this board, so here we are.

Three Tree City: Notably, also tokens.

Offspring: Very cute, although might be a little bothersome to keep track off

Crow_Umbra says... #2

Thank you for holding it down Coward_Token. The rest of us should draw straws for starting the next thread.

I'm very excited for Raccoons in general. I've wanted more of them in MtG, especially since New Capenna didn't quite scratch that itch for me. I haven't made a Gruul deck yet, so I'm looking forward to trying something new.

July 9, 2024 5:59 p.m.

legendofa says... #3

It always takes me a couple of days to catch up on previews. I got some time off today, so I'm almost up to date.

Another Mystery Booster Playtest mechanic arises!

Kaervek, the Spiteful + Maha, Its Feathers Night (not enough poetic, too much awkward in that name) could be interesting. Would it be good enough for Pioneer?

New art for Run Away Together by Omar Rayyan. He's got the right style for this sort of pastoral setting.

July 9, 2024 6:55 p.m.

golgarigirl says... #4

My friend is ready to rock for Frog Tribal and I have been voluntold to build her a deck. I must prepare myself...

So, any ideas for Flubs, the Fool because this is the target of her affection...and I am kind of baffled by this little guy.

July 9, 2024 9:22 p.m. Edited.

golgarigirl my joyfriend is a bona fide frog boy, so I've been thinking much the same thing.

Impulse draw was my first thought, alongside Storm and Song of Creation type shenanigans.

Feels like this deck wants big and fast turns.

July 9, 2024 9:35 p.m.

Icbrgr says... #6

I have yet to examine any power level or even understand any of some of the new mechanics.... but the aesthetics are absolutely amazing and I love it... really reminds me of shadowmoor!

July 9, 2024 9:36 p.m.

Crow_Umbra says... #7

I love the art for Flubs, the Fool, and the nod to The Fool tarot card.

golgarigirl, I can definitely see a build using a bunch of Looting & Rummaging effects to storm off with a Mizzix's Mastery or Underworld Breach.

You could also sprinkle in stuff like Madness or Threshold to make use of discarding & having a full yard. Flubs is so funky and open-ended, I'm interested in seeing what builds pop up.

July 10, 2024 12:09 a.m. Edited.

Coward_Token says... #8

Very important story commentary Show

July 10, 2024 5:19 a.m.

SteelSentry says... #9

Coward_Token if you're not prepared for that, just wait until you find out what the keyword mechanic on the face of the Jeskai precon is ;)

I was fully prepared to not care about this set in the least, but the mechanics are pretty neat, even if the flavor is still a miss for me. The fursona versions of existing planeswalkers makes me curious if that was for fun or the lore implications of traveling to this plane; or more importantly, what happens when native residents leave. Would Mabel be a human if she went through an Omenpath? What about one of the larger predator animals? Is Maha secretly a dragon on other planes?

July 10, 2024 6:44 a.m.

sergiodelrio says... #10

Stormcatch Mentor PDH storm

July 10, 2024 7:35 a.m.

Tsukimi says... #11

12/10 on this set all around, I cannot remember the last time a set felt this exciting and fresh! The story was pretty clumsy, with a vague "prophecy" just basically thrown at Ral at the very end, but was otherwise nice.

The Offspring mechanic is my favorite mechanic in a while! Really really sad that the Jeskai commander got it cause it feels like such a perfect fit for Bant tokens and lil guys type strats but such is the crumbling cookie. ):

Surprising no one I agree with Crow_Umbra- the most exciting mechanic is the raccoons! I think Expend feels new, and very flavorful for RG being colors that can produce extra mana, and it fills a whole new role for similar cards in the future that has been unexplored thus far.

Last thing I'll say is I have seen quite a few complaints online about the new tokens with mana costs and.... As someone who loves to make token copies of stuff this is nothing new and has been happening since Cackling Counterpart and even earlier cards before it. Seems like such a weird gripe to me?

July 10, 2024 9 a.m.

Abaques says... #12

I'm for this set so far. I loved Thrones of Eldraine and this is giving me similar vibes for quality. Power level doesn't seem crazy. The art direction seems way better than "everyone gets a trenchcoat" or "everyone wears a cowboy hat". The world itself feels vastly more coherent than the slop that was Thunder Junction.

More of this please.

July 10, 2024 10:53 a.m.

Tsukimi my personal theory as to why Jeskai got the offspring commander deck and not Bant is that Bant shares too many colors with the existing double-ETB hallmark, Yarok, the Desecrated, and they didn't want Yarok to get all those tools and instead focused on developing Jeskai's ETB mechanics, which is cool!

Especially since we just got a bunch of Energy-ETB Jeskai creatures in MH3 0.0

July 10, 2024 11:28 a.m.

Just checked and offspring is an ETB trigger, which only further cements this theory. You get sextuple times the ETB triggers if you pay an offspring cost with Yarok on the field. They probably didn't want to encourage that.

July 10, 2024 11:38 a.m.

Tsukimi says... #15

TheOfficialCreator Yea that makes a lot of sense, just really bored with bant commanders as of late always doing generic/boring stuff that other colors usually have similar if not better access to. I feel like Bant commanders either swings hyper competitive (Rafiq, Derevi, etc.) or extremely group hug/casual and it'd be fun to see more commanders that fall somewhere in the middle.

Also been waiting for Bant to get something akin to a 1 power matters commander haha - buuut either way, the card itself is a really cool design space. Just feel that Jeskai already has so many versatile and interesting commanders already. (I know my bias is showing real hard)

July 10, 2024 11:43 a.m.

legendofa says... #16

In other combos I have no idea what to do with, Ygra, Eater of All and Sarulf, Realm Eater have some nice color, thematic, and mechanical overlap. Munch munch!

July 10, 2024 1:28 p.m.

Gleeock says... #17

Bello, Bard of the Brambles Has the look of something different for for once. The power level is pretty amped up on that one as well. That will be a GOOD option for a commander for an aggressive enchantress shell outside of the usual Selesnya faire. Beyond that, he works in some other archetype shells too.

This dude has an aggressive CMC to boot.

July 10, 2024 6:25 p.m.

Gleeock says... #18

I think it was a good design choice for the colors as well to make the effect: "During your turn". It seems like should be fairly crappy when it comes to defensive play, at least when you have some pretty aggressive abilities like this.

July 10, 2024 6:57 p.m.

I like Bello. Big artifact ramp into big creature make big heart big happy.

July 10, 2024 7:42 p.m.

Tsukimi says... #20

Bello feels fresh and exciting and I'm looking forward to building my first RG deck with them.

July 10, 2024 7:44 p.m.

Gleeock says... #21

I have a Naya enchantress deck that will be very happy to make its' many 4+cmc enchantments into swingin pieces. While replacing Ohran frostfang

July 10, 2024 7:54 p.m.

Crow_Umbra says... #22

Torn between Bello and Zinnia. I think I might go for Zinnia, Valley's Voice and swap out Satya, Aetherflux Genius and the energy support from his deck.

July 10, 2024 7:57 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #23

Kinda hate Dawn's Truce. Is white Heroic Intervention that big a deal?

Don't like Hivespine Wolverine being able to fight on ETB, even if it's only vs tokens. Green fight n' bite should strictly go on noncreature cards (except vs flying).

Feel like Otters got a color identity just to compensate for Lutri, the Spellchaser being banned in commander

July 13, 2024 8:12 a.m.

Abaques says... #24

The Season cycle looks solid to me. Powerful and flexible without being overpowered. They won't go in every commander deck of their colors, but they'll be good fits in the ones they do go in.

Innkeeper's Talent is going to be really good in a lot of decks.

Diresight seems like a new staple.

Gossip's Talent also looks pretty good in the right kind of deck. Surveil 1 for any creature entering your battlefield is gonna be quite good.

July 13, 2024 11:26 a.m.

Iridescent Vinelasher and Mistbreath Elder seem absurdly powercrept. Mistbreath especially.

Like uhh, I usually like my one-mana 2/2s to have drawbacks, not bonuses ;n;

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July 13, 2024 2:02 p.m.

sergiodelrio says... #26

TheOfficialCreator kinda Greenbelt Rampager territory, no? Might be breakable tho with cheap etb creatures

July 13, 2024 2:30 p.m. Edited.

sergiodelrio yeah I misread the first half of its ability at first. It's still really strong as it never forces you to bounce itself. (I thought you could choose not to bounce the other creatures)

July 13, 2024 4:22 p.m.

legendofa says... #28

More bad predictions and random thoughts.

Baylen, the Haymaker is a great name. Literally making hay while swinging haymakers. Baylen is balin' while bailin' you out.

Got some discard with Bandit's Talent, always happy to see that.

Darkstar Augur is my pick for hit of the set. Reasonably costed, lots of card advantage, and an evasive attacker. Lots of good stuff. Starfall Invocation's up there, too.

My next theme deck is cards that are just fun to say. Start with Polliwallop and Hypothesizzle.

Wick, the Whorled Mind feels like Commander bait, but it's probably there to tie in WOE for a Standard Grixis Rats deck. Fair enough.

July 13, 2024 5:03 p.m.

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