What is Your Opinion of Proxies?
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Posted on Dec. 7, 2022, 8:50 p.m. by DemonDragonJ
Some player use proxy cards, unofficial duplicates of official cards, either when they do not wish to spend an exorbitant sum of money on an expensive card that they desire, or when they already own such a card, but do not wish to use it in events.
Thus far, I do not have any proxy cards in any of my decks, because I have not needed them, since I do not use any cards that I cannot afford to purchase; however, I have been contemplating possibly purchasing proxies of certain cards to use in my decks, since it is very unlikely that I shall ever enter any WotC-sanctioned events, as I am not a very competitive player. I obviously would not be so cheap as to use proxies of Black Lotus, Ancestral Recall, or the original moxen in my decks, but I see no problem with proxies of Sol Ring, as it is now an inexpensive and ubiquitous card, due to numerous reprints, or the original dual lands, as they are powerful, but not game-breakingly so, and are on the reserved list, so WotC shall never reprint them (at least not in tournament-legal form).
What does everyone else say about this? How do you feel about proxy cards?
Dangerwillrobinson79 says... #2
Some thoughts from an avid proxy enthusiast.
I’ve spent $685 on proxy cards this year to build 24 commander decks that look and play beautifully. There’s no mistaking them for real and it’s easy yo look at them and know exactly what they are.
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I play edh in a proxy-friendly group at least twice a week. I’ve accumulated roughly 30 complete decks, all between power 5-8. Before proxys were unanimously adopted, i had 4 decks… that were bangin, but prohibitively expensive.
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My shop doesn’t sell singles and my proxy maker ships from 6 weeks away so I buy a ton of real singles off tcg. I buy sleeves, packs, food and beer from my shop to keep their lights on.
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The gamers at our shop are always asking to use our decks because they’re bored as hell with the 2-3 they own, and play over and over again. We happily allow them to because it encourages them to try new things and my $700 fake deck is really only about $45 worth of proxies and sleeves that looks and plays the same but has a picture of a duck or something on the backside and says “proxy, not for resale” on the bottom.
Tl;dr: proxies for the win! Xoxo. Abolish the reserve list!
December 13, 2022 11 p.m.
SteffisPeppis says... #3
its okey, aslong as you dont go bananas and print all the strong cards to use against people playing precons. (yes i have seen it happen)
December 14, 2022 6:01 p.m.
OdysseusOdyssey says... #4
I sold all of my mtg cards and now play proxies exclusively. Best decision I have ever made regarding mtg and I would recommend everyone to do the same.
I like playing draft and block constructed with a niche group of friends. Formats that would cost me literally thousands of euro's for older sets and blocks. A price which I find unacceptable for cardboard.
If anyone is curious and technologically savvy, one can download an automated dockerized container to automate ordering proxies @ https://github.com/chilli-axe/mpc-autofill
or if you just want to order without setting up a server yourself try MPC Fill @ https://mpcfill.com/guide
Happy proxying
December 15, 2022 9:23 a.m.
OakleafRanger says... #5
depends on the quality. if i need to google the card to read all the details/confirm wordings etc; then please only use a couple. but if it looks like any other mtg card; go nuts. after wizards started charging for proxies, i stopped caring.
December 15, 2022 6:09 p.m.
Proxies all the way : ) I actually really like thinking my way out of a bad situation, so even if someone were to bring gaea's cradle to a casual table, that just makes me want to put some jank together that can put it flat. Throwing in Strip Mine effects works or even something like Reef Shaman, early creature removal does the trick, pushing combat can pressure their set up, and worst case scenario, when they go to attack with their giant whatevers, there's always Settle the Wreckage
Now, it would be different if someone brought a fully tuned proxy cEDH deck to a casual table, but like most things, it's all about intent. If you are proxying just to beat 3/4 of the table every time, that's no good, but if you are doing it just to make your deck yours, sure, and if it makes it a little too strong then it just gives me an excuse to brew : )
December 17, 2022 9:20 a.m.
marco-online says... #8
Duals should stay expensive and not accessable for budget players. If all would just use proxies magic as we know it now would die. What we need is new cards that are as good as true duals. Add those cards even to a new reserved list. Then current players could have the same opportunity then the players had back in the day. Own something that will be more expensive in the future. Mtg is played by so many old people who pay for the dev team from wotc. They mostly want assets to play with. This is nothing new. Bottom line is proxy only very few cards please.
December 17, 2022 9:59 a.m.
Personally, I do not use proxies, no one in my personal playgroup uses proxies, and no one at my LGS uses proxies. They are one of those things I often see conversations about, but I frankly can’t help but feel simply does not apply to me and my Magic situation. I know that, for myself, I would never want to use a proxy - it would not feel right to me to play with something other than a real Magic card.
I will say, marco-online’s response might be one of the silliest takes on the subject I have ever seen. For starters, it ignores a pretty obvious aspect of the game - adding new high-powered cards does not supplant the old ones, but merely means folks with a high budget deck run both the old strong card and the new one. This rapidly prices out the new card from lower budget decks, further widening the power level gap - which in turn further encourages proxies.
It also should be noted that, when the RL was put in place, the idea of a TCG was brand new, and no one really knew if the collectible side of the game (like existing and long-standing baseball cards) or the game side of the game would be more successful. The RL was created to protect collectors, not players - and when it became clear this was a player-run game with player-collectors (and only a small fraction of pure collectors), 20-20 hindsight revealed the RL was a mistake and it was abandoned. A bad business decision - that continues to harm both players and Wizards (who cannot capitalise on the reprint equity of RL cards) - can be forgiven when there simply was not enough data to know whether it was a good idea or not. But now? Wizards would be stupid to add a “new reserve list” - it would make players mad, would tie their hands long-term, and is not necessary, since they can employ limited-time art to appeal to collectors without taking the card itself off the reprint floor.
December 17, 2022 10:31 a.m.
As an old Player /dinosaur, I was one of those people who said; "who is the agreeing to this RL"... It was like a midnight move of a sports franchise - accessibility of information was ZERO at the time, they weren't tweating or real-time updating a broad player base (because that type of media wasn't there). It was a greasy, midnight move aimed at a few folks who had the information directed at them, many of the players had very little knowledge that this was even going on. That is part of why I am still a little salty about the whole decision, it was pretty dang fascist & behind-closed-doors of them originally. Sure, I hung on to a few duals, but I make unique enough decks regardless, that I feel proxies have minimal impact on the uniqueness of the game. I have no drive to hold my old collection over new player's heads & lord over them, it usually actually has the reverse effect, where I feel a little guilty about the $$ gap - then I try to explain that they costed me like $4.00 in the mid-90's & my parents raised their eyebrows when I spent $4.00 on cardboard.
On an interesting note, some of my parents friends actually got them into strategy games, so those old dogs (retired) are trying to learn some new tricks now that their cohorts have told them that they are fun. They are pumped to learn the game over holiday time. I am excited, I told them: "Spend almost none of your retirement income on this, their are these things called proxies that I can make near exact duplicates with". - Just another sweet use of proxies to bring ANOTHER demographic into the game without the old guard pushing them out :)
December 17, 2022 11:37 a.m.
Gleeock - There is enough actual fascism going around in the world right now that maybe we don't want to devalue the impact of the word by brandying it about so readily. I think it is hyperbolic to the point of absurdity to call the RL a "fascist" decision--it was very clearly one born of ignorance by a group of game designers/nerds who did not really understand business and who, even if they had business acumen, were inventing a new industry for which there was no real guidance.
It is also worth noting that customer outreach in the 90s was pretty darn limited due to the relative lack of internet and limited nature of online fandoms, so the idea they could have had some kind of egalitarian conversation before making the decision is a tad silly.
Now, calling it a stupid decision in hindsight, or saying that you wished they had done more outreach--with what options were available to them--are both fair critiques... calling it "fascist" however, does a disservice both to those making decisions with no clear precedent and to language itself.
December 17, 2022 12:05 p.m.
I guess it was more autocratic than anything. It certainly just discounted a group of people without gathering adequate information. They probably listened to a few loud voices, which still happens where the RL is concerned.
December 17, 2022 12:12 p.m.
It was a weird thing, the hyperbole comes out because when I think about it, it is still somewhat of a sore spot for me. I was pretty young & the only way I learned about it was a couple of years after it happened the small shop owner mentioned a couple of cards were RL, then he proceeded to explain it. So, you basically needed AoL/dial-up, or a WoTC newsletter to partake. You would have to either have been a high-income special interest investor or maybe a larger shop owner to actually have had any input in the decision... Pretty bizarre direction for WoTC to take. I was confused that they would handshake (not even) with a few collectors in a time when Fleer had Michael Jordan/Dream Team NBA dominating the collector's card market while the ONLY thing differentiating MtG was the playability factor. To staunchly not review the decision with the amount of information they have now as a legit corporation is where I feel like they are really diminishing the players . But, bottom line is bottom line.
All that junk above, the complicated history, the bummer of finding out about the RL, the collector's/whale oriented cost-boom trickling down to the players all make me say more & more: proxy away & don't worry about that stuff to newer players. That kind of stuff is what made it so difficult to get our baby boomers into it.
December 17, 2022 1:03 p.m.
Gleeock It being a time when sports cards were so popular is precisely why they went with the RL - it was less about competing with the sports card market, and more looking at the closest analog and trying to model business decisions after that. Only in hindsight was that a mistake - but you have to base decisions on what you know, and, without more effective data gathering the internet provides, what they knew was collectible cards were popular and product could move on collectability alone.
As for why they do not revisit the list - their lawyers simply are not going to let them. I know I wouldn’t if I were their attorney, though it would pain me to give that legal advice. You can bet they want to - the very fact that every proxy conversation is primarily driven by the existence of the RL just goes to show what an incredible amount of reprint equity (expected value to Wizards from reprinting cards in terms of how many packs those chase cards sell) they have sitting on the table, unable to be touched.
December 17, 2022 2:10 p.m.
marco-online says... #15
Caerwyn Sorry that I triggerd you with that controversal statement :). As a reminder the company that develops our cardgame is almost dead. They need us collectors and players to pay for the game - I hope we all understand that... I point to the view of alpha investments. I do not want my cards being reprinted so much that they plummet in price. I don't like that everything is budget. I also don't like that every card is 1.50$ from aliexpress with the current holo stamp. I rather enjoy it to open boxes with valuable pulls that can mitigate the price of a box of cardboard either now or in the future.
Many collectors are selling of their collection because of the current advancements of wotc not just since the '30y celebration'. Caerwyn Why do you like your cards being worth significantly less as they are worth now? Proxies and counterfits and their acceptance are lowering the demand so bluntly that whole collections are being sold away for dirt cheap. People are leaving the train no one is buying boxes is what we got now.
I want to give an example for my views. The inclusion of Prairie Stream vs Tundra is silly to you Caerwyn? My silly idea is litterally to just say that Prairie Stream will never be reprinted. Would this be so bad in your book? If guess if so its just very different opinions xD
Or another recent good move ( I think at least ). The inclusion of something sacre
December 17, 2022 3:07 p.m.
marco-online says... #16
Caerwyn don't forget: Most of the sold proxies are not RL cards they are recently released cards. The RL is not in any way binding for wotc. DYOR.
December 17, 2022 3:10 p.m.
marco-online - I cannot speak to most of the sold proxies - but I can speak to my own research on the RL. You’ll have to pardon me if I trust my license to practice law and hours and hours spent on Westlaw researching the very issue of the RL over someone on the internet.
I will also note that your market analysis is just as questionable as your legal analysis.
December 17, 2022 3:30 p.m. Edited.
Haha, I don't know much about sold proxies either when I just make 'em. Hasbro doesn't need any white knights. Returning to the bargain bin days would be amazing & regardless of our perceived profit margins on their front the game has enough depth to be around for the long haul regardless of how many big corporate hands change with it.
December 17, 2022 6:36 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #19
"Why do you like your cards being worth significantly less as they are worth now?"
Not who you tagged, but I will gladly answer this.
Because I want to play with people, I could give a shit less what my collection is "worth". I own and play RL cards. I want everyone to be able to do so because I enjoy PLAYING THE DAMN GAME not sitting looking at my cards stroking it to how very few people have them and that makes me "special". I don't want assets to play a card game with. My assets are in other places. I want everyone to have access to all the game pieces so that we are playing the same game.
Put Taigas in Cap n' Crunch boxes, or better yet Malt-o-meal Commander Crispy bags. Put Moxen in junk mail. Reprint this shit so that it is worthless and everyone can play a game. People still crack boxes and play the new sets. Limited isn't going anywhere and eternal formats would be much more accessible and popular if the decks weren't worth 6 months of wages to much of the playerbase.
December 17, 2022 6:52 p.m.
OakleafRanger says... #20
Hasbro almost dead? Lmao, wut? Those are the same as pre-covid stock prices. If you pay attention to most companies that inflated during lockdown, they follow a similar trend.
December 17, 2022 8:03 p.m.
As Gidgetimer suddenly looks emaciated & bug-eyed, he/she sneaks out that OG Underground Sea, strokes it, & calls it "my precious"... :) -- in order to show us a complete 180 degrees from that awesome comment :)
Honestly though, I think stock concern stuff is mostly just corporate/investor swordplay going on. Even if Hasbro miraculously tanked, or shut down the MtG cash cow, then in the age of recycled ideas & reboots there would be another company popping up with the MtG property in short order to turn record profits after the game was "gone" - It would be one "last" reunion tour type of thing. How often do you hear that now? :)
December 17, 2022 8:38 p.m.
Laurentian says... #22
Proxies will cause every deck in your collection to play the same, and then your meta, and you will be bored. They remove the decision making forced that comes from resource scarcity.
December 18, 2022 12:47 a.m.
wallisface says... #23
Laurentian I think that's a bit of a stretch. Virtually all competitive formats mtg has, doesn't have resource scarcity (everyone competing in those formats will spend whatever cash they have available to build whatever decks they're wanting built) - and there is still a great amount of variability in decks and archetypes in such metas. While its true that most local metas would end up resembling roughly what is shown on mtgGoldfish, that is still a pretty broad and ever-changing meta.
I think if you're group is using proxies and has managed to brew the same decks to the point that the local-meta feels "stale", then its as simple as giving the group some self-imposed restrictions to spice up that local meta and breath more life into it.
December 18, 2022 1:52 a.m.
For commander, Cards you already own are fine to proxy. Cards you don't own, maybe a few in a casual deck. Whole decks of proxies are kind of asinine. There are plenty of budget options for decks without having to get some expensive card that everyone already knows is good.
For any other non-casual format, get the cards.
December 18, 2022 10:11 a.m.
Are you tying out deck concepts before buying legit cards? 100% proxy your heart out.
Have you made a busted deck with powerful cards to get an advantage over your opponents regularly and still haven't bought real cards yet? Stop proxying and buy the cards. If they have to feel game pain, you need to feel wallet pain.
Do you have a chill playgroup and all of you want Tropical Islands? Treat everyone with proxies! No harm no foul.
Do you run a multimillion dollar company and want to celebrate your 30th anniversary? Absolutely print proxies... wait, you want to charge 1000 USD? Oh honey, no.
December 18, 2022 11:09 a.m.
I guess the other argument on proxies is how much does your deck actually need them? Adding a dual land as one card in your commander deck will make your deck better, but so marginally so that it probably won't make an impact outside of very competitive metas, where players will be way more accepting of proxies anyways. Or even something like Gaea's Cradle, which there's nothing to really replace it in deck, but you can run enough green ramp to make it not necessary. I think that doing proxies on these kinds of cards might make a more feel-bad reaction, where a proxy of something like Sliver Queen might not just because there really is nothing else that does what it does. Proxying to make your deck a little better feels a lot different than proxying to make your deck idea just kinda work.
December 18, 2022 11:53 a.m.
Grubbernaut says... #27
Laurentian As a cEDH player, can enthusiastically and thoroughly confirm that that is not the case, at all, specifically to the "all roads lead to one/few deck(s)" argument. Even a little bit. Proxies allow players to switch decks frequently, try new things, and play around with theorycrafting without having to spend much money to do so. Unless you're playing in a hyper-budgeted situation, or one where people have overwhelmingly massive collections, how often to people try out completely new decks?
December 18, 2022 12:30 p.m.
WoTC gave the green light by trying to sell us $1k proxies.
That being said, if you're at your own table or not at a competitive table? All proxies are welcome. Even basic lands. I'd rather sit down and play magic with you and have fun than have you sit there and watch everyone else play. Even if my deck cost me over $2K to build. I'll lose to cheap prints on bulk commons all day.
Now competitively? Different story. Everyone should have spent the time and money necessary to bring their decks to life.
December 19, 2022 6:12 p.m.
My opinion on proxies personally is that there is a significant aspect of the cultural and social dynamic of the game that is wrapped up in "collection". My collection is a labor of love, shrewd trades, sharing of pieces that may have monetary value but serve no purpose for me, and acquiring hard to find editions of cards simply because they are rare and/or have art or a treatment that I enjoy aesthetically. Proxies are completely separate from this ecosystem, they are game pieces first and foremost. I completely understand, especially for those playing and competing in competitive formats, that if you want to test strategies and decks then it makes sense not to have to bankrupt yourself to do so, and for that reason I don't care if anyone else chooses to use them. I don't respect their widespread use in casual play because it is inherently a competitive measure. If you have access to any cards at the push of a button, why not pursue the cards that grant you the most power with no additional cost? If it's not for competitive reasons, then why are the thousands of cards currently in print, many of which cost pennies, not good enough for you? The chase for good cards and the ingenuity of using what you have in your collection are my primary drivers of interest in this complex game. I don't morally judge anyone that uses them, especially those with valid monetary complaints, but I will hold myself to avoiding playing against those that simply use proxies as an excuse for power where power is not why we are playing.
December 20, 2022 3:29 p.m.
I'm fine with proxies if you already own the card. If you don't own the card, substitute it with another similar card you do own. It's not hard and there are no excuses.
December 20, 2022 3:50 p.m.
DoomNoodle says... #31
Garahs Its acceptable to play test an expensive card to make sure it works how you want it to in your deck before actually purchasing especially if its a very niche card that only works in certain deck themes like Earthcraft that card only works in certain strategies whereas Cyclonic Rift can easily slot into any blue deck. With that being said, if someone tries using said proxy playtest card for more than a few games use and has yet to make a purchase then thats different. these cardboard addictions are expensive! theory craft a deck you think youd like and if you do go for the full purchase until then dont splurge on cards you may not even want to use!
December 20, 2022 4:26 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #32
Garahs, what about situations where one's opponents have powerful and expensive cards that are on the reserved list, a factor that is entirely outside of the players' control?
December 20, 2022 8:17 p.m.
DoomNoodle, You can use Cryptolith Rite for Earthcraft as a cheaper alternative. River's Rebuke or Flood of Tears for Cyclonic Rift.
DemonDragonJ, Play powerful inexpensive cards then. I don't understand what you're trying to say. A price tag does not guarantee power.
December 20, 2022 9:52 p.m.
wallisface says... #34
Garahs The point that DemonDragonJ is making (and that I agree with) is that people shouldn't be excluded from the game based on a price-bracket. If the rest of the playgroup is playing at a certain level of $$$, then those poorly players shouldn't be penalized for not being able to fork up as much cash, especially so if they are able to present proxies of good quality, and even-more-especially so if the format is a casual one (like edh for example).
For me personally, I'd rather be able to play games with people. If they don't have the financial-pockets to keep up with the groups meta, then i'm all-for them being able to proxy-up to a common-standard.
You are correct that a price tag does not guarantee power.., but it is often fairly indicative of one.
December 20, 2022 10:15 p.m.
wallisface You're not banned from playing if you don't have the hottest new cards or the hottest old cards. Channels like Commander's Quarters frequently feature effective budget edh decks. WotC sells preconstructed decks for at least two formats, which are cheap and can win games.
December 20, 2022 10:55 p.m.
Grubbernaut says... #37
"Can win" is very different from "on a similar level to."
It does not matter what $500 deck you bring to a cEDH or high-power table, you'll be winning significantly less than 25% of your games. And that's silly, if you want to play with power and the other players do, too.
As usual, the literal only time this is an issue is if people are trying to play above the level that the rest of a group wants to.
So, yeah, there are "excuses." By contrast, there's really no excuse to limit you or other players to genuine cards if they're not exceeding established power level or arbitrary budget constraints the group has established.
December 21, 2022 6:06 p.m.
I've got a few main reasons for going heavy into proxies. First of all, I'm just starting back up after like, 20 years away from the hobby, and I wanted to help be able to provide an experience to the other new players in my group. I could have maybe put together like... one bad edh deck with what I had, I could afford one deck that was optimized enough to be fun, or I could get six decks that were all roughly on a level, and be able to actually supply a table with decks. Since doing this, I've actually started buying cards again and swapping in real cards. Without proxying, I probably never would have returned at all.
The second reason is theming fun. When I put together my Gorion deck, I thought he was a bad choice for the card's flavor.
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And finally, as I am able to spend money on real cards, I want them to stay safe. Especially as part of my goal is to share my decks with folks who need them, I don't want a $50, or even $10 card getting ruined by someone else's accident, or if a whole box of decks gets lost or stolen, be out potentially $1000. I'd rather have the proxies come with me, and leave my real cards safe at home.
December 22, 2022 10:50 a.m.
viashno Gandalf is such a better choice than Gorion : ) When I saw that Gorion was a card it was like, yeah but why? His whole purpose in the story is that he isn't in the story. But the whole Baldur's Gate set was a flavor flop, so meh...
I think it's similar to Jon Irenicus. It's an intesting card, but it couldn't be more not Irenicus. A character who took other's power for himself is, goading? Proxying these kinda things might be the only way to play them, and that's a really good point!
December 22, 2022 3:55 p.m.
sanddeviljack says... #40
I went from "proxies evil!" to "proxies of cards I own okay" several years ago. With 30th Anniversary in the books, I am at the "proxies, whatever" point. I have friends who have sworn to never buy another MtG product ever again because 30th made them so angry, and they will proxy from here on.
Despite these shifts in attitude, we are not suddenly building 5C all the OG Duals and Moxen and et cetera just because we don't have to buy them. We build what we want--might be total jank, might be near-cEDH, might have the occasional silver-bordered card--but we talk before we start playing. I recently built a Saskia all-female creatures deck because a buddy was getting married (weird bachelor party idea), and I proxied the entire deck to avoid tearing into 6 other decks.
It really comes down to intent and being honest with everyone--especially yourself--about what your intent is. If you can do that, you can navigate proxies as easily as anything else.
December 24, 2022 3:06 p.m.
I could say alot here but cliff notes: 1. Respect the table you play at. inform in advance and gage how the table feels about Proxys. 2. Don't overbuild your decks. Most everyone I play with pays for real cards. (IMO) Being limited by a budget forces players to get creative. that creativity is what adds to the experience and fun. if you sit down with all the best stuff proxied you will ruin the game on so many levels. 3. If you proxy, proxy right. If you come to a table with proxy's made by a 1st grader don't be upset when I reach across the table and rip it to shreds, eat them, then spit them at you. your handwriting sucks and you cant draw. buy proxies or learn to make them at home. stop writing on a white piece of paper you tore out of a notebook and taping it to the front of another card and sleeving it like its fine. yes this is the cliff noted version.
December 26, 2022 1:22 p.m.
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December 26, 2022 4:32 p.m.
TypicalTimmy says... #43
Goryu: 'If you proxy, proxy right. If you come to a table with proxy's made by a 1st grader don't be upset when I reach across the table and rip it to shreds, eat them, then spit them at you. your handwriting sucks and you cant draw. buy proxies or learn to make them at home. stop writing on a white piece of paper you tore out of a notebook and taping it to the front of another card and sleeving it like its fine. yes this is the cliff noted version.'
That seems, oddly specific and aggressive.
December 26, 2022 4:48 p.m.
brandonbeon says... #44
DO NOT PROXY CARDS OVER $10 because now they'll be passed on with your bulk or whatever and someone will eventually spend $600 for your fake card.
December 27, 2022 6:43 p.m.
Haha! What crappy 3rd party dealer is not vetting the difference when it comes to that level of cash? :)
December 27, 2022 6:50 p.m.
TypicalTimmy says... #46
Casual friendly reminder
Making proxies for use is okay
Making proxies for sale is not
Please do not buy, or sell, proxies
December 27, 2022 6:54 p.m.
If parties in the pod agree they are ok, then fine. But used as a general practice, no. End of the day it gets down to the people playing together. If you go to an LGS and play with randoms I'd say no, out of respect to the other players unless they say go for it.
December 29, 2022 4:39 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #48
TypicalTimmy, I do not have the technology to make my own proxies, so what can I do in that situation?
December 29, 2022 5:53 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #49
Most public libraries will let you print stuff off for a small fee. https://www.mtg-print.com/ will automatically align proxies 9 per page and you can cut them out with scissors and put it in front of another card. That is about all the more "realistic" you need them to look. I used a printer that was almost out of ink and people can tell it looks odd from across the table, but can't always identify what is different.
December 29, 2022 5:58 p.m.
Check with your playgroup first and foremost. Personally i would say proxies are completely fine. Especially these days, as wizards have shown just how much they respect their customers. Spending enormous amounts on cardboard that could suddenly loose its value because the incompetent producers; reprint, overprint, don't playtest, ban it, so on and so forth. Wizards do not deserve your money.
Just dont sell the proxies as if they were official cards :)
Gleeock says... #1
Most proxies in my playgroup have been for a wide range of reasons. One player is still a college student & he sees no reason to buy up a bunch of product at this point in his life.. His Kibo deck has a buttload of proxies & it has 0 to do with power level.
On the flip side there can be a wide variety of reasons I put my original duals into decks beyond power level. I put my original copy Scrubland into Breena, the Demagogue simply because it is my only deck. My Jund dual original copies are in my Thantis, the Warweaver deck; not Korvald.
Perception can depend on the player demographics too. I remember being somewhat picked apart for having that scrubland in my Breena deck because the perception was dual = power, not really true in that deck, Orzhov +1/+1 counters, proliferate, walkers can be good, but it is not close to cEDH.
December 13, 2022 10:27 p.m.