October 12, 2020 Banned/Restricted Announcement
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Posted on Oct. 12, 2020, 10:59 a.m. by FSims81
Banned/Restricted Announcement
Omnath, Lucky Clover, and Escape all gone from Standard.
EleshNornsFs says... #3
Holy crap! They actually did it! I guess some of my trust in WotC has been restored.
October 12, 2020 11:55 a.m.
Daveslab2022 says... #4
Well every meta has to contain some decks, right? At least those ones aren’t incredibly oppressive.
October 12, 2020 12:25 p.m.
I think Orzhov Clerics can make a push in a meta like this one as well so we may see an uptick in those being played
October 12, 2020 12:35 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #6
Oh yeah I’m not complaining. Those are my 3 favorite decks!
October 12, 2020 12:51 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #7
(Tho I didn’t list them because they’re my favorites)
October 12, 2020 12:52 p.m.
Wow. Omnath is banned everywhere. I'm not sure if escape needed the ban hammer with clover and omnath gone it wouldn't have been as good but I don't think wotc wanted to take the risk
October 12, 2020 12:52 p.m.
With massive change to the top decks, usually other decks will emerge to take their place. And sometimes its decks that no one was playing - due to being a poor match up against the top deck. Usually RDW or some aggro decks gain popularity until a new "best" is found.
But a lot of people play what has already been brewed by net decking - and have little if any deck building skills of their own. I can tell who they are by how they build during a limited event.. So they are at a loss when the top build or two gets hurt by banning and/or rotation.
I'm just glad I dont play standard, as the bans have been plentiful the last few sets. But I did get impacted as my omnaths will probably take a hit value wise.
October 12, 2020 12:56 p.m.
I_Want_To_PlayAllTheDecks says... #10
I'm so excited! The meta will now be lots of rogues and mono red, but im not here to complain. now I can play my https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lurrus-value-town-n-shit/ deck for real.
October 12, 2020 1:06 p.m.
psionictemplar says... #11
Personally, I like the changes and look forward to seeing what the new meta looks like. I predict rogues will still be solid and the rest will fall into place from there.
October 12, 2020 1:08 p.m.
Personally not a fan. I also really don't enjoy playing against the dimir decks that have been steamrolling in standard as well.
At least that's been my own experience in the standard meta of MTGA
October 12, 2020 1:20 p.m.
I_Want_To_PlayAllTheDecks says... #13
I'm fine playing against rogues because I feel the deck (while Annoying) is fair.
October 12, 2020 1:26 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #14
There was ą cycles list on mtg goldfish a few months ago that I’m currently playing a variant of on arena It had basically no removal, so I added a few removal spells.
This is actually really great for me, I had just gotten a full playset of Omnath on Arena. Four free mythic wildcards babay!
October 12, 2020 1:56 p.m.
Now if they could just unban Uro, you know since the card was such an enabler to the Omnath decks that don’t exist anymore.
October 12, 2020 2:28 p.m.
I want to make Shrine decks in standard part of the meta. This deck held a 50% win rate for me with the top tier being what it was. It matches up well with all aggro strategies as once it stabilizes it can wipe the board and gain life in big chunks. It doesn't mind mill because Sanctum of All is a dumpster diver. It does have some issues with mono-green stompy if you're trying to race giant creatures hitting the board, but if I can get the win rate up about 10% I might start running into some copies which would be cool.
It's So Shriney!
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October 12, 2020 2:42 p.m.
defamagraphy1 says... #18
Escape was the biggest problem to be honest. I'm kinda happy about this and kinda not
October 13, 2020 5:34 a.m.
Daveslab2022 says... #19
Which escape cards are broken in particular? The only one that saw a good amount of play was Uro. The spider with escape saw some sideboard play against the rogue decks.
October 13, 2020 9:33 a.m.
Escape to the Wilds, not Escape the mechanic
October 13, 2020 9:40 a.m.
VampDemigod says... #21
How was it the biggest problem? Lucky Clover literally made all adventures OP!
October 13, 2020 9:44 a.m.
VampDemigod I'm generally anti-ban myself, but my understanding for the escape ban was that it was used as a reliable way to dig for ugin and/or generate extra landfall triggers and was just seen as too powerful for its cost.
I don't think Omnath was OP enough to merit a ban, he was just the face of the decks that were dominating.
Lucky clover was definitely a super powerful engine for adventure decks, and it was a giant pain to deal with. (I got "Stomped" so many times by Bonecrusher Giant)
October 13, 2020 10:11 a.m.
VampDemigod says... #23
If a card is in 70+% of decks, it’s almost always banned. Case in point: Smuggler’s Copter.
October 13, 2020 10:25 a.m.
defamagraphy1 says... #24
Lucky Clover was insanely good, BUT there was a variety of artifact removal available.
Omnath was a bit harder to deal with and despite being "busted", it didn't do much on it's own.
A majority of those decks had their power come from drawing 5 for 5. Without Escape to the Wilds they would no longer have access to the cards they needed to continue going, in Omnath's case, additional lands and creatures to use the mana on to continue fueling the engine, and in adventures a fixed way of draw.
Escape was tough to deal with as most Counterspells being printed are situational, and the only way to stop it was by preemptively discarding it.
It was the glue that held both decks together.
October 17, 2020 5:31 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #25
I disagree in your power evaluations, but I understand your logic, and do not disagree with it. I may take issue with your evaluations, but I 100% understand why you feel this way.
VampDemigod says... #2
...so meta is now cycling, rogues, and mono-green?
October 12, 2020 11:54 a.m.