My New Custom MTG Format - Heroic
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Posted on Sept. 8, 2020, 1:26 p.m. by joe_mama_joe
Say hello to my new custom format, Heroic!
Rules:
Starting life total is 20
Deck size is a minimum of 60 cards and up to 15 sideboard cards (no maximum deck size as long as you can shuffle without aid).
Basically the same rules as Vintage except...
The only cards allowed are Mythic Rares, Rares, Legendaries (any rarity), and Basic Lands. Some cards are going to be banned or restricted, but I'll let you guys decide. Post what cards you think should be banned or restricted and I'll add them to the banned or restricted list. You are allowed to use cards from all of Magic's history from every set and edition as long as they apply to these rules (not promos or sliver bordered cards).
BANNED LIST:
All Ante Cards
All Conspiracies
Chaos Orb
Falling Star
Shahrazad
All silver-border cards
Cards whose art, text, name, or combination thereof that are racially or culturally offensive are banned in all formats.
- Ancestral Recall
- Black Lotus
- Chalice of the Void
- Demonic Tutor
- Golgari Grave-Troll
- Imperial Seal
- Karn, the Great Creator
- Library of Alexandria
- Lion's Eye Diamond
- Lodestone Golem
- Mana Crypt
- Mana Vault
- Memory Jar
- Mind's Desire
- Mox Emerald
- Mox Jet
- Mox Pearl
- Mox Ruby
- Mox Sapphire
- Mystical Tutor
- Strip Mine
- Time Vault
- Time Walk
- Timetwister
- Tolarian Academy
- Vampiric Tutor
- Wheel of Fortune
- Yawgmoth's Will
RESTRICTED LIST:
- Zendikar's and Onslaughts"Fetchland" Cycles
- Channel
- Flash
- Zirda, the Dawnwaker
- Yawgmoth's Bargain
- Mind Twist
- Deathrite Shaman
Post your decks here that you make for this format. I look forward to seeing them!
Omniscience_is_life says... #3
TBH looks like fun, I might brew a deck of this format even! Kinda like the anti-pauper. Very epic
September 8, 2020 1:46 p.m.
joe_mama_joe says... #4
SynergyBuild, I changed sideboard to fifteen. I'm sorry you feel that way. I don't know if it'll be toxic. Maybe?
September 8, 2020 1:47 p.m.
joe_mama_joe says... #5
Omniscience_is_life, thanks! I would like to see the deck when you done if that is ok!
September 8, 2020 1:48 p.m.
DragonSliver9001 says... #6
i'm curious how you came up with your list of "racist" cards.
September 8, 2020 1:53 p.m.
DragonSliver9001 says... #7
DeinoStinkus the list being shown here is much longer than the one wotc made. the list wotc made includes more than 4 cards though.
September 8, 2020 1:58 p.m.
DragonSliver9001 says... #8
so if fetch lands are restricted, i'm guessing any rare/mythic land is allowed?
September 8, 2020 2:04 p.m.
TriusMalarky says... #9
Yeah, that list of 'Racist' cards looks like cards you think are too powerful for such a format, and doesn't include the actual list.
I think the main problem with this is that it'll be clunky AF. I think red aggro and green ramp will work, as both of those have a lot of necessary cards in the rare slots, but there are so many important 1 and 2 mana cards that make most formats playable. I mean, you literally killed blue straight out as it doesn't even get Opt or Anticipate or Negate or Mana Leak or Remand or Force Spike, black really only has TS and some weird removal....
It'd be interesting to brew in, but the decks seem like they'll all end up as
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Mono Black TS aggro
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Mono green weird ramp
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Mono Red aggro
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White stax? Maybe?
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and blue is basically dead
Seriously, while Pauper is clunky, this would be a slog to work through. You'll have entirely intact top tier decks from some formats, and you'll have entire colors(cough blue cough) who rely heavily on common and uncommon answers to be competitive. You even lose the three most important removal spells in Modern/Legacy!
IMO, Little to no real interaction means that whatever tier decks exist will be degenerate and hard do stop -- and not even in a 'Hogaak was fun to brew around before he broke modern' sort of way. It'll be 'haha, have fun with a steel leaf champion that you'd never kill because you'll have to draw some jank 3-mana Murder with an upside and good chump blockers don't exist in this format'. I definitely wouldn't play a format where Champion has hexproof, would you?
September 8, 2020 2:04 p.m.
DragonSliver9001 says... #10
TriusMalarky you can find removal in the rare slot. theres tons of it. like Abrupt Decay, Assassin's Trophy, and Mythos of Nethroi. i definitely think the format has problems, but i don't think a lack of removal is one of them.
September 8, 2020 2:10 p.m.
DragonSliver9001 says... #12
DeinoStinkus even if black lotus were legal, lurrus still wouldn't need a ban. theres other things i'd rather do with that 3 mana than move a lurrus from my sideboard to my hand.
September 8, 2020 2:15 p.m.
joe_mama_joe says... #13
DeinoStinkus, that would... actually work! Nice! I can see going 5-0 with that deck easily.
September 8, 2020 2:27 p.m.
Is this new format called Heroic like in the original post or Champion as DeinoStinkus listed his deck?
And did i miss a keynote somewhere? This new format is vintage without anything below the rare level of rarity?
September 8, 2020 2:41 p.m.
joe_mama_joe says... #15
MagicMarc, the format is called Heroic. And the format is not vintage because there are banned cards, not only restricted and there are tons of other differences. The banned and restricted list is different.
September 8, 2020 2:44 p.m.
SynergyBuild says... #16
joe_mama_joe I'll build here, chances are this ends up not working, but I wish you the best.
Sideboards are important to combat busted decks, they stop dredge from taking vintage over, and from storm and Food Chain from taking over Legacy. In every format where busted decks roam, sideboard cards are there to solve the issues.
I imagine the cost makes this a proxy/online format mostly?
September 8, 2020 2:45 p.m. Edited.
joe_mama_joe says... #17
SynergyBuild, yes basically only online/proxy. And sideboard is 15 on this format too.
September 8, 2020 2:54 p.m.
I will not be building for any new formats in which Shahrazad is banned. Period! :)
September 8, 2020 2:59 p.m.
TriusMalarky says... #22
DragonSliver9001 haha, no, 1-mana removal. The best 1-mana interaction is at common and uncommon, and half the decent 2-mana removal as well. Mostly 3 mana unless you're playing certain colors, in which case you get 2 mana? yuck.
September 8, 2020 6:49 p.m.
SynergyBuild says... #23
@TriusMalarky, Abrupt Decay, Assassin's Trophy, Fatal Push, Path to Exile, and Flusterstorm all have been printed at rare. I'm okay with those xD
September 8, 2020 7:11 p.m.
TriusMalarky says... #24
Oh, well, if any printing counts then we gucci.
September 8, 2020 8:38 p.m.
Daveslab2022 says... #25
I don’t think FNM promo Fatal Push counts as a rare, lol
September 8, 2020 10:18 p.m. Edited.
DragonSliver9001 says... #26
TriusMalarky: who said the removal had to be less than 3 mana? this isn't modern or legacy. the standard for "good removal" changes depending on the format. same goes for counter spells. counter spells in rare do exist, like Disallow. also keep in mind that many enablers are common or uncommon as well, things like Faithless Looting and Manamorphose. without enablers to help people get their big win cons fast, cheap removal is less important. and one final point, Tron wouldn't exist in this format because it wouldn't have its lands. so you can't really judge this hypothetical format that nobody has played, based on the same standards you would judge formats like modern or legacy.
September 8, 2020 11:11 p.m.
Omniscience_is_life says... #27
Guys... Force of Will and Pact of Negation are rare... and you just have to get creative with your removal. Artifact Mutation/Aura Mutation, Attrition, Bedevil, Berserk, Bounty Agent, Decimate, Dimir Charm, Dreadbore THE LIST GOES ON
September 8, 2020 11:21 p.m.
Daveslab2022 says... #29
Because all FNM promos are printed at “rare” lol
And when you click on Fatal Push and click on visit page all the printing say uncommon and the FNM promo says none.
September 9, 2020 1:17 a.m.
SynergyBuild says... #31
These decks are the first batch of Oko testers:
4c Heroic Maverick
Unknown
0 VIEWS | IN 1 FOLDER
Heroic Oko-Tinker
Unknown
0 VIEWS | IN 1 FOLDER
One is based around Green Sun's Zenith for a fair creature strategy, backed up by Force of Will being able to pitch our multiple multi-colored effects like Oko, Uro, or Leovold, while maintaining a powerful selection of creatures to toolbox out while running our Okos.
The Other is a Tinker combo deck, with fast mana, Bolas's Citadel, Sensei's Divining Top, and Aetherflux Reservoir, while Teferi and Oko back it up, and Force as well as additional countermagic.
September 9, 2020 2:28 a.m.
Daveslab2022 says... #32
I mean it really depends on how OP feels about promo / limited edition printings.
I personally don’t think they should count since they weren’t released in an official set. AFAIK, all cards in signature spell books are upgraded to rare status. I would personally not allow them if it were my format.
September 9, 2020 8:12 a.m.
joe_mama_joe says... #33
SynergyBuild, your decks are cool! I like the second one the most. Also, Fabled is fixed and isn't banned anymore.
September 9, 2020 10:55 a.m.
joe_mama_joe says... #34
Daveslab2022, SynergyBuild, I won't only FNM and Judge, but Signature Spellbook is allowed.
September 9, 2020 11:10 a.m.
Daveslab2022 says... #35
That’s lame, imo.
But that means Young Pyromancer, Brainstorm, Counterspell and Negate are legal.
Negate as a rare. Lmao.
September 9, 2020 11:34 a.m. Edited.
Omniscience_is_life says... #36
Just... stop pushing back on this one front. You've made your standpoint clear, and it's the only thing you've commented on in all of your posts here. Constructive criticism is great but it stops being helpful once you stop being helpful
September 9, 2020 12:18 p.m.
SynergyBuild says... #37
Daveslab2022 I mean, you know Vintage Masters on MTGO affects pauper rulings, why should a non-standard set not affect this format?
joe_mama_joe and you are right, on FNM Promos and Judge Promos, they don't show up on gatherer, but SSBs do, so it's a pretty easy test now!
September 9, 2020 12:39 p.m. Edited.
Daveslab2022 says... #38
Are you talking to me? I was helpful, I listed some cards that are now playable in this format. How is that not helpful?
September 9, 2020 2:01 p.m.
Omniscience_is_life says... #39
Daveslab2022 yessir I was. You were helpful, but then you just called the OPs rulings "lame" and scornfully laughed.
SynergyBuild good points
September 9, 2020 2:06 p.m.
Daveslab2022 says... #40
I was just pointing out the absurdity of Negate ever being printed as a rare. Why are you being so hostile? Doesn’t this site have enough of that?
September 9, 2020 2:09 p.m.
SynergyBuild says... #41
Daveslab2022 Hey, I am so sorry, I didn't mean to be hostile, I just was spitballing reasons. I see why you'd disagree with them and that's super cool, no harm in disagreements right?
September 9, 2020 3:19 p.m.
Daveslab2022 says... #42
SynergyBuild not you, mate, you’re perfectly fine. I was talking to omniscience.
But to answer your question, spellbooks are not sets, they’re like 5 cards, and not even every color has one yet. That’s why I don’t think it should be considered. Where’s the green and black love?! Rare Llanowar Elves?! Lol
September 9, 2020 3:37 p.m. Edited.
SynergyBuild says... #43
Daveslab2022 I just meant the little set buttons in Gatherer lol, not trying to argue semantics, again, not necessarily the right word, but it is what it is I guess xD
September 9, 2020 3:52 p.m.
SynergyBuild says... #46
Kk xD (I want to be part of the train too, I feel left out!)
SynergyBuild says... #2
I'mma be honest, as someone who is known for solving random formats, I'm not even touching this mess.
What does this add to any other format, other than minimize creativity (often the best ways to answer toxic meta decks is to build with interesting answers, most of which are uncommon or common) and also by dropping sideboard slots leads to less ability to combat busted nonsense.
This seems like a really toxic format. I hope I am wrong though.
September 8, 2020 1:33 p.m. Edited.