New Format: Supplemental?
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Posted on Jan. 5, 2022, 9:32 p.m. by Metroid_Hybrid
Lately I've been pondering about the card frame specific Contructed formats. Namely pre-Modern, which got me thinking about Modern and Frontier (post-Modern?), and then it occurred to me that supplemental sets do not directly affect these formats at all! They just go straight to Legacy & Vintage (and EDH).
So I had idea. What about a Contructed format where the only legal cards are those printed in supplemental, non-Standard legal sets? So like the various Duel decks, Planechase, Battlebond, Commander, etc..
Metroid_Hybrid says... #4
Sure, maybe, but consider the shear amount of deck archetypes in Modern & Legacy that were originally from Standard; almost all of them!
I haven't bothered with trying to run the numbers (somebody else can volunteer for that), but I would wager that the vast majority of deck archetypes wouldn't be possible in a supplemental-only format. This would especially be the case if you leave out the various "Masters" sets..
January 6, 2022 12:38 p.m.
wallisface says... #5
My only thought is that when formats are made, its normally with some sort of goal in mind. What is this format hoping to achieve?
January 6, 2022 2:02 p.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #6
wallisface Call it a thought experiment more than anything. What would a format centered around supplemental products look like? A format that had access to powerful Commander staples (etc), but no Fetch-lands or many of the other staples commonly found in other Contructed formats..
January 6, 2022 2:21 p.m.
wallisface says... #7
Metroid_Hybrid are you exuding Modern Horizons from being a “supplemental set”? Because that’s got fetches.
I suspect the format would just overwhelmed by a few of the more powerful legacy/modern decks that can still be built. Considering how many decks can be made just from MH1/MH2 sets, i don’t see this format creating many “new waves”
January 6, 2022 2:56 p.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #8
wallisface I did when I was referring the the "masters" sets, but I obviously didn't articulate it completely/correctly..
Basically small sets that don't actually ADD to Standard and/or Modern card pool..
January 7, 2022 2:58 p.m.
Grubbernaut says... #9
If you can make a link that gives the actual card pool on Scryfall or similar, I'll brew stuff.
January 7, 2022 3:02 p.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #10
Grubbernaut I might have left something out, but I think this would do...
January 7, 2022 3:49 p.m.
DragonWolf420 says... #11
gonna disagree greatly that "almost all" modern decks were once standard decks. also disagree that an experiment is the same as a goal.
many of the supplemental sets contain reprints. this supplement format wouldn't really add anything new.
we already have a ton of different formats and ways to play the game. just pick some you like but creating new confusing formats that won't go anywhere just seems like a waste of time.
January 7, 2022 11:32 p.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #12
DragonWolf420 Then name some... Out of the dozens upon dozens of tournament viable archetypes, only a tiny fraction of them didn't originally show up in Standard in some form or another over the decades.
To see the product of said experiment is absolutely a valid goal. A goal doesn't have to be ultra ambitious. I was just hoping to bounce some ideas off of some people on here with more time, interest, and creativity than myself in the hopes of finding something novel..
The rest of what you said really isn't an argument. Again, I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel, or otherwise change the world of mtg here.
Hell, what was your particular goal/motivation behind your comment? Notice that the other commenters before you had some kind of actual engagement with the idea..
January 9, 2022 3:07 a.m.
Omniscience_is_life says... #13
Metroid_Hybrid don't worry about them, just a troll.
I find this idea worth some research--it seems like just enough restriction to create new metas, but not so much as to be confusing/impossible.
The one issue I would imagine happening is flood; WotC is increasingly pumping more and more supplemental product into the proverbial water, and that might quickly make a format such as this one quickly get too many cards to work as a functional restriction.
But that may not be the case, and I always love to take a crack at new formats people come up with. Who knows? Maybe I'll find a fun deck theory and take your idea to my playgroup. Thanks for giving me something to spend my weekend on ;)
January 9, 2022 3:20 a.m.
DragonWolf420 says... #14
Metroid_Hybrid most havent. burden of proof is on you. you made the original claim. hogaak decks were not standard. death's shadow. crashing footfalls. boom.
January 9, 2022 9:29 p.m.
Grubbernaut says... #15
I can safely say we're going to need a banlist.
UB Necro - Supplemental Format
Other archetypes that jumped out at me: Najeela/Derevi, stax, MLD, lands (dark depths/vesua/thespian's stage/crop rot), burn, delver, grixis control. Likely bans off the top of my head: Lotus Petal, Rite of Flame, Ancient Tomb, Tinker, Necropotence, Mystical Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Imperial Seal, Demonic Tutor, Mox Diamond, Dark Ritual, Sol Ring, Mana Drain, probably more.
I'd be down for some of this degeneracy on spelltable if someone wants to play this week.
January 10, 2022 2:28 a.m.
Grubbernaut says... #16
Some more potentials.
Other cards to build around: Protean Hulk, Gifts Ungiven, Anje Falkenrath, Basalt Monolith, Belbe, Corrupted Observer (stax), Channel, any of the storm cards, Elsha of the Infinite / Sensei's Divining Top, Fecundity, dredge, k'riik son of yawgmoth, Mycosynth Lattice, Selvala, Heart of the Wilds, elves, Skullclamp, Smallpox
January 10, 2022 1:04 p.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #17
Omniscience_is_life: More-or-less my thoughts exactly.. Thank you and you're welcome..
Grubbernaut Wow, you weren't kidding! I definitely agree with your start of a banlist..
DragonWolf420 (Slow clap).. Good job, two that came directly out Modern Horizons (which would still disappear in this hypothetical format), and one built around a underutilized card printed way back in Worldwake (and would still disappear if I didn't include Double Masters). My argument still holds water junior..
January 10, 2022 3:15 p.m.
DragonWolf420 says... #18
Metroid_Hybrid no your argument doesn't, because literally none of your counterpoints matter. the fact they would "disappear" in your "format" is irrelevant to my point that those decks were not standard. stay on topic kiddo.
January 11, 2022 12:05 p.m.
Grubbernaut says... #19
Metroid_Hybrid Don't feed the troll, it's a trap.
Grubbernaut says... #2
Fine idea for a night with friends, but I'm not sure it brings anything particularly new or different to the table that would set it apart in terms of gameplay/construction. There's a whole lot of cards from supplementary sets.
January 5, 2022 11:05 p.m.