I thought about it. I'll playtest; under these certain conditions.

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Posted on Sept. 1, 2019, 5:25 p.m. by BMHKain

(CAUTION: A Huge List of CMDRS dead ahead. If you can't comply, remember that I apologized for the huge wall.)

Well, I was just told how to do a Folder, but to choose what for decks is another thing entirely. Especially if such decks are either:

A: What Everyone Plays B: Are good, but have since been outdated by a year C: Are Tribal Leaders in a Specific Sense (No Morophon, the Boundless please.) D: Not Underdog CMDRs. E: Other.

Let's Just assume we use that cEDH Deck Tier List One-by-One; but w/ a new rule for Playtesting such decks so none of the cEDH Decks win out of overall ratios ~100% of the time; CHANNELFIREBALL-style. That said, From using the Tier List, I require the following CMDR Decks to not have cEDH Level Power, but are these:

Tier 0:

Thrasios, Triton Hero & Tymna the Weaver Partners

Tier 1:

Kess, Dissident Mage

Kraum, Ludevic's Opus

Najeela, the Blade-Blossom

The First Sliver (Not as a Sliver Tribe Leader)

The Gitrog Monster

Urza, Lord High Artificer

Vial Smasher the Fierce

Yisan, the Wanderer Bard

Zur the Enchanter

(NOTE: Unknown if Kraum, Ludevic's Opus & Vial Smasher the Fierce need to be Parters to be of this level.)

Tier 2:

Animar, Soul of Elements (Morph Decks not allowed.)

Baral, Chief of Compliance (Get your Counterspells Ready!)

Brago, King Eternal

Breya, Etherium Shaper

Circu, Dimir Lobotomist

Derevi, Empyrial Tactician

Edric, Spymaster of Trest

General Tazri (Mandatory Ally Tribe Leader)

Ghave, Guru of Spores

God-Eternal Kefnet

Godo, Bandit Warlord

Golos, Tireless Pilgrim

Grand Arbiter Augustin IV

Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  Flip

Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge

Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain

Kykar, Wind's Fury

Meren of Clan Nel Toth

Mizzix of the Izmagnus

Momir Vig, Simic Visionary

Narset, Enlightened Master

Niv-Mizzet, Parun

Niv-Mizzet Reborn

Oona, Queen of the Fae

Prime Speaker Vannifar

Prossh, Skyraider of Kher

Ramos, Dragon Engine

Rashmi, Eternities Crafter

Scion of the Ur-Dragon (Possible Dragon Tribe Leader)

Selvala, Heart of the Wilds

Sidisi, Brood Tyrant

Sidisi, Undead Vizier

Sisay, Weatherlight Captain

Taigam, Ojutai Master

Tana, the Bloodsower

Tasigur, the Golden Fang

Teferi, Temporal Archmage

The Mimeoplasm

Varolz, the Scar-Striped

Xantcha, Sleeper Agent

Yarok, the Desecrated

Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder

Tier 3: WIP

But, yeah, you get the picture, right? Since I can't find such decks on my own to put in such a folder for decks worth testing against your own. Rules are as follows though:

  1. It needs to be up to date, prior to the Iona, Shield of Emeria & Paradox Engine bans & Painter's Servant unbanning/CMDR 2019's release; or just not include any of those at all.

  2. Each deck must not be of cEDH-level power; just imagine how much hell I'd have to playthrough against something just to beat a Thrasios/Tymna Partners deck just to have my claim on this notion nullified.

  3. Decks must include CMDRs that are Popular, were Popular as well as Tribal Decks w/ Good Tribe Leaders (For example: The First Sliver & Sliver Queen do not fit this category where Sliver Overlord does fit the Sliver Tribe Leadership. Scion of the Ur-Dragon & The Ur-Dragon can both count as Dragon Tribe CMDRs. Atraxa, Praetors' Voice is actually a bad CMDR to use in Superfriends, but Shines in all Counter Life. Make good use of that instead of making a 4< Color Walkers Deck. The rulings go on...)

I know this is too much for now, but I'm making a folder for Playtesting w/ decks as everyone kept telling me to do so; now I want to hold my end of the Bargain. But I seriously need help from you to do this. If you can find any decks here to add to such a Folder, put it on the comments below.

(& no, It's not like it's a personal thing! Anyone is allowed to use it when it's finished!)

GhostChieftain says... #2

I am confused as to what you actually want here and especially confused about why you even mentioned the cEDH tier list, let alone put in so many cards from the list, if you don't want this to be cEDH.

My suggestion would be to look at the deckcycled stuff and put in what you think is cool. Playtest against your own decks too. Ignore the tier list entirely if you don't want cEDH.

You can also check out other peoples folders and just yoink the decks you like from there.

Outside of competitive, power levels are all really subjective and if each person is left to judge how good their own deck is they may not judge it the same as their opponent might. So what I am saying is that you are the only one who really knows how powerful you want the decks to be on this list to be if competitive is not your goal.

September 1, 2019 7:09 p.m.

BMHKain says... #3

@GhostChieftain: Well, you're correct on one thing so far, I'm NOT looking for Decks that are cEDH Level Power; merely those that have a decent variety for such decks, & a decent level of power at least. Was it the list that threw you off, HARD? I apologize in any case. I am ignoring Tierlists actually, I just used those as categories emulating such ideas. As for other's Folders?


I didn't think of that. & even I use the saying: Your Mileage may/will vary. I'll see where I can find those folders, & report back; even though it too deserves a section. Where to find other folders... I'm pondering as I enter codes for MTG ARENA... ?_?

September 1, 2019 7:43 p.m.

GhostChieftain says... #4

Look up a commander and find a decklist you like, it may have a folder it is in. You could also find one that is deckcycled or featured that has a folder.

September 1, 2019 8:52 p.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #5

Tier lists are subjective, as GhostChieftain says. It all depends on your meta, really.

For example, I run a Silumgar, the Drifting Death deck. Do you realize how utterly incompetent that Commander is? There are barely any black dragons as it is, let alone blue ones. The few that there actually are have insanely high CMC. Ramp is basically non-existent in Dimir as well. There's basically no card advantage, too.

But I build it using a vast swath of Shapeshifters with Changeling. I also packed it full of boardwipes to keep pressure off of myself. Finally, I peppered in clone effects, giving me something to do on curve.

When Silumgar lands, he wipes the board clean each and every turn he attacks. Since he has Hexproof, he is nearly impossible to remove.

I play in a less-aggressive meta. In my group, he dominates games. But if I were to go on something like Game Knights? No, I would be utterly destroyed.

So base your designs off of your meta and not the meta of others.

September 1, 2019 9:58 p.m.

I've read some of your threads now, and this is the first one to not totally confuse me. I'll try to simplify what you want in my words, please tell me if I got it right:

You want the community to suggest creative and powerful decks that aren't on cEDH level, so you can playtest all of them after putting them into very structured deck folders. Am I correct? If so, you are free to use my wording of this al a TL;DR.

I do have a question. It seems difficult for you prioritize informartion and to decide on what's important for a topic. Is there anything you can think of that can help you to overcome this?

September 2, 2019 11:55 a.m.

BMHKain says... #7

@seshiro_of_the_orochi: Before I get to you, I'd like to take a moment to apologize for not heeding any advice to be as simple & concise at all costs; I even tried to do that very thing, & FAIL. I seriously tried my best on such a regard, & critie neg is all I get. Kind of like one's start in the comedic industry as a newb; NOTHING is anymore miserable than that (See, I can't even be concise if I wanted to live!).

Now to you: The irony is that while the decks I sorted in is of the cEDH Tier listing, I instead want the right kind of deck for at least most of them; no deck is perfect; unless you're a cEDH Buff in some aspect. However, despite the categories in the OP, it won't be the same for such a folder I wanted to make, & made public. That said, I just wonder what I can do from advice; which included finding other Folders; which is actually the step I'm at currently; but how to search for individual folders? Someone told me I could start from finding one, & see if a deck of interest is of good use (Not in those words.). & continue from there. & again I apologize for whatever sized post I did wrong here also (See? I can't even be Simple, Compact, much less Straight to the point; it's like my chain will forever remain severed...).

September 2, 2019 12:52 p.m.

I understand your problem. It's terrible to try ones best and get no positive feedback in response. I realize my post sounded very negative. I didn't intend to do so. I've definitely seen lots of improvement in your posts. And I consider many of your topics interesting, though hard to grasp.

I'll do the following now: I'll let "trying to help you" aside and just try to help with your topic as a symbol of respect for your hard work.

"Bird Leaf" | Feather EDH

Commander / EDH Suns_Champion


This is very powerful Feather deck with incredible lots of thought already put into. Feather is a commander that doesn't need many expensive cards to be powerful, and with a bigger budget, she can be insanely powerful. It is a deck you should definitely try out as it has a lot of value and is very consistent.

September 2, 2019 1:21 p.m.

GhostChieftain says... #9

In all honesty, Suns_Champion's decks may be a good place to start. They build fairly solid decks as soon as a new commander is spoiled so you know they are up to date if they are a new cmdr. The one posted above is also in a fair amount of folders, so you may find other good ones in those folders.

September 2, 2019 3:07 p.m.

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