How is Guttural Response a Break?

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Posted on Nov. 16, 2019, 1:23 a.m. by DemonDragonJ

Mark Rosewater has stated multiple times that Guttural Response breaks the color pie, but I do not see how it does, since it is so limited that I feel that it is perfectly within the capabilities of red and green.

What does everyone else say about this? Do you believe that Guttural Response is a break in the color pie? Why or why not?

CharonSquared says... #2

It's not a matter of power level or flexibility, it's that counterspells are almost always blue. Off the top of my head, the only other exceptions are Mana Tithe , Lapse of Certainty , and Dash Hopes .

November 16, 2019 1:28 a.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #3

CharonSquared, Guttural Response can counter only blue instant spells, so it really is useful only against counterspells, so I still believe that that is an acceptable bend, but not a break.

November 16, 2019 1:32 a.m.

enpc says... #4

Typically red will redirect or copy spells, rather than countering (yes, I'm aware that Red Elemental Blast is a card), however in modern times we see a lot more cards like Reverberate , Ricochet Trap , Bolt Bend , etc. Green on the other hand just forces their spells through with stuff like Autumn's Veil , Veil of Summer , Savage Summoning , Prowling Serpopard , etc.

And when you put them together, you get stuff like Vexing Shusher , who is the epitome of red/green.

November 16, 2019 1:59 a.m.

You can use flavor to validate just about anything so it really isn't a valid reason.

November 16, 2019 7:36 a.m.

grumbledore says... #6

Dash Hopes and Mana Tithe were both printed in Planar Chaos - a set that was focused on breaking the color pie (also: Damnation ). RG has no business having a hard counter. That said, I love Guttural Response . Countering a cryptic with that is just ... oh so good lol

November 16, 2019 9:34 a.m.

Caerwyn says... #7

There are four cards that specifically counter Blue spells: Burnout , Pyroblast , Red Elemental Blast , and Guttural Response . You’ll notice those all share something in common - Red.

The problem with Guttural Response is not the fact that it is an anti-Blue Counterspell for ; the problem is that it is an anti-Blue Counterspell for as well. That’s where it breaks the colour pie.

November 16, 2019 11:45 a.m. Edited.

Coward_Token says... #8

Things like Vexing Shusher & Rhythm of the Wild are 's contemporary, non-breaky answer to 's counterspells

November 16, 2019 5:19 p.m.

Nights_Loser says... #9

It looks more like a bend than a break for me.

November 17, 2019 9:16 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #10

Caerwyn, how is that the case? Green is red's ally and blue's other enemy, so I do not see the problem.

Nights_Loser, I agree with you about that.

November 18, 2019 6:41 p.m.

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