Help beating the s**t out of my friend

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Posted on Aug. 25, 2019, 9:23 a.m. by jaime_97_zgz

Hi, I have a friend that always plays an illusion based mono blue deck. His strategy is based on this 4 cards: Lord of the Unreal , Phantasmal Image , Chronozoa and Krovikan Mist .

He completes his deck with some more illusions and some spells such as Ponder .

How would you beat him? Is there any deck or strategy I can use to give him a dose of his own medicine?

SynergyBuild says... #2

Cool, play monoblack with 4x Plague Engineer and 4x Engineered Plague and 4x Extinction and even 4x Outbreak , then use some dumb big beatsticks like some demons and cards like Doom Blade .

Want me to make this a decklist? Also do you play a specific format or have a specific budget?

August 25, 2019 9:32 a.m. Edited.

SynergyBuild says... #3

Anti-Tribal is for you, if you want it.

August 25, 2019 9:45 a.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #4

August 25, 2019 9:46 a.m.

Funkydiscogod says... #5

If they had one copy of each of those cards on the battlefield, they would have a 2/2 Lord of the Unreal , 4/4 Phantasmal Image , 5/5 Chronozoa and 5/5 Krovikan Mist . And 3 damage to each creature would wipe their board.

August 25, 2019 10:02 a.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #6

So Hexproof only protects against targeted spells and abilities. Not against mass spells. Get yourself some Ritual of Soot and wipe the slate clean ;) partner this with some Damnation to really hit hard.

Since you don't want your boys blown up, don't make a creature deck. Instead, focus on direct damage. Perhaps burn?

Rakdos will allow you to wipe the slate clean while hitting his life total directly.

August 25, 2019 10:22 a.m.

Caerwyn says... #7

I am going to disagree with SynergyBuild's suggestion of building an anti-tribal deck. In kitchen table, it is generally considered poor form to build a deck that is specifically designed to beat another's pet deck. That's a good way to create a toxic play environment resultant in your group falling apart.

TypicalTimmy's burn with wrath effects is a pretty solid option. It has a good matchup against Lord of the Unreal decks, while also being fairly fun and strong against most creature-based decks (which is what a lot of kitchen table decks tend to gravitate toward). One trick that has not been mentioned, things like Lightning Bolt work extra well against Lord of the Unreal. What you want to do is make sure they only have one Lord of the Unreal on the field. They'll likely cast a Phantasmal Image--while the Image is on the stack, you kill their Lord. Phantasmal Image doesn't have a creature to copy when it ETBs, so it will die also--you get two kills for the price of one.

For a different take, you could go Blue/x control, focusing on countering creatures before they hit the field. For a win condition Thing in the Ice  Flip is great, and can remove all your opponents' creatures and allow you to swing for the win. For your second color, I would go Black or White. Black could give you access to forced discard cards, removing the threats before they are cast. White gives you access to Council's Judgment , which does not target, so you can use it to exile a Phantasmal Image.

August 25, 2019 noon

TypicalTimmy says... #8

Caerwyn, I must agree about building silver bullet decks. I've unfortunately done this and it resulted in my playgroup being on edge and it caused arguments. The group divulged from the four of us playing games with crazy antic decks to us building decks that prevent everyone else from playing, such as mill decks and 90% removal / counter decks.

Unfortunately I must admit my idea does fall into this field. Wrath & Burn makes it so nobody can play, which is sort of just as unfair as an anti-tribal deck idea.

I think building a deck to play off of the weaknesses of another deck in a competitive nature is acceptable, but a deck specifically designed to fully stop all other decks in their tracks is in poor taste.

TLDR - Build a deck that works, not a deck that wins. (For casual table top play)

August 25, 2019 12:26 p.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #9

What could be an interesting pairing and foil would be a Knight Tribal deck.

Knight Exemplar and Valiant Knight make for really powerful synergy. Mono-white Knights is a deck I use to run that was extremely difficult to stop. I would have to dig through the deck boxes to find it again, but it also used Exalted and Kinsbaile Cavalier .

I went mono-white, but you may want to go Selesnya to add ramp. Or perhaps Azorius for counterspells.

You could actually go Selesnya main board with blue-mana producing lands and counterspells sideboard. This way you can go full Bant if you need, based upon the current meta of the game.

August 25, 2019 12:33 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #10

Caerwyn Based upon the name of the post, I don't believe this was intended for friendly play. I answered the post with a deck that I believed would beat the s**t out of an illusion tribal build.

Additionally, we still do not know the format being played.

August 25, 2019 1:22 p.m.

I agree with Caerwyn: from past experiences, building a deck that aims only at destroying you r friend's deck will result in saltiness from his side, short-term satisfaction on yours and overall frustration for both of you.

The best solution to me is to even the odds by building yourself a tribal deck too. Merfolk, Goblins, Elves, Allies or Zombies are all viable options. Make sure you put in some targeted and mass removals to mess up with his illusions and you're good to go.

August 25, 2019 1:45 p.m.

Suns_Champion says... #12

Easy to slot into a red burn deck would be Red Elemental Blast and Pyroblast . They counter lord of the unreal and counter and destroy the other 3.

August 25, 2019 2 p.m.

Matt_The_OGRE says... #13

Turbo fog. Enough said.

August 25, 2019 6:13 p.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #14

Casual? Iona, Shield of Emeria + ramp, lol

August 25, 2019 6:22 p.m.

Megalomania says... #15

Try reanimator. Entomb Iona, Shield of Emeria then Reanimate . Voila! Friendship over!

August 25, 2019 6:53 p.m.

Funkydiscogod says... #16

You can put together a normal Primeval Titan , Scapeshift or Azusa, Lost but Seeking deck with a single copy of Detection Tower as the only change from the tournament versions.

August 25, 2019 10:28 p.m.

smackjack says... #17

Choke and Boil could be good sideboard options?

August 26, 2019 3:24 a.m.

dahhahm says... #18

A soul sister deck would give your friend a bit of trouble. If he's using Krovikan Mist , he's got a pretty heavy creature list. Could use more info on his playstyle. I wager he's going straight up aggro using dudes like Phantasmal Bear , Vapor Snag and Phantasmal Dragon but I could also see him doing something more control-like with Riftwing Cloudskate , Draining Whelk , meloku the cloud mirror and Counterspell since it sounds like he's pretty annoying.

A mid-range life gaining deck sounds like it will consistently give you more turns to play bigger threats and overall be winning more games. Blue has a lot of problem solving cards so I wouldn't rely on a single card to win you a game, especially if it can get countered. I'd lean more to redundancy and playing relevant cards.

Strategies that use creatures like Soul Warden , Thragtusk or making a deck around that new card Bishop of Wings since angels can block flyers or Suture Priest or Gray Merchant of Asphodel

August 26, 2019 3:49 a.m.

dahhahm says... #19

There's also the option of just playing the better illusion deck, which is the spirit deck.

August 26, 2019 3:52 a.m.

smackjack says... #20

or control with a bunch of boardwipes

August 26, 2019 4:07 a.m.

I'm going to throw out Soltari Guerrillas as some seriously random, anti-illusion tech. The oracle text makes it a free, targeting, activated ability. It is traditionally combined with Horobi, Death's Wail or Cowardice to great effect. Play your cards right and it could easily be a one-sided board wipe.

August 26, 2019 4:41 a.m.

jaime_97_zgz says... #22

August 26, 2019 4:49 a.m.

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