Rippling Dragon's Approach

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Posted on Oct. 18, 2021, 10:32 p.m. by WotanubisReturned

This is the best breakdown I have seen about Thrumming Stone

Rippling out every Dragon's Approach in your deck isn't necessary to win most games, but you still need enough copies to deal 30 damage, so what is the fewest number of copies you'd be comfortable running? I am currently 37/99 but I feel like I should be running more than three pieces of removal.

enpc says... #2

Is there a reason you're not running a red/blue commander for the deck? I get that Birgi is good for the combo, but adding blue gives you more artifact tutoring, countermagic/some removal, Thousand-Year Storm and Mana Severance which helps once you've got Thrumming Stone out.

October 19, 2021 12:11 a.m.

enpc Mainly I'd rather not invest in a multicolor landbase because that leads to wanting fetchlands; I made Dragon Throat-Singing because every player should have a Commander deck even though I don't get to play in person that often; I bought my Approaches early when they were still ~$1 so it doesn't seem like a budget list anymore but it was. Rielle, the Everwise is sweet and I would love to add in things like Goblin Electromancer and Rowan, Scholar of Sparks  Flip. I did just empty my Cardsphere ledger picking up a War Room so I feel commited to monored.

October 19, 2021 12:32 a.m.

RambIe says... #4

I have to back enpc on this one izzet is a superior choice
I ran 15 copys of Dragon's Approach in my deck and had no problems chaining off by utilizing cards like Niv-Mizzet, Parun & Archmage Emeritus
as for Thrumming Stone odd's of 1 in 4 of a 100 card deck is 25 cards. but things never run that smooth so in a mono red deck that needs this to be a guaranteed hit i would run odds of 1 in 3 (33 cards) then stack by odds with cards like Dragon's Rage Channeler & Burning Prophet

October 19, 2021 7:26 a.m.

griffstick says... #5

I'm also jumping on the band wagon I think you should use Mizzix of the Izmagnus as the cmdr

October 19, 2021 8:15 a.m.

griffstick says... #6

You can also thin out a deck with Skyship Weatherlight

October 19, 2021 8:20 a.m.

Ramble I especially appreciate your monored suggestions: I will have to consider them. I knew that 25 was definitely too few; I am expecting 33/99 to be the magic number but I am curious to see if anyone has an argument for less.

Mizzix is super good and I appreciate everyone suggesting Izzet, but I am done spending big money on this deck I will barely ever play.

October 19, 2021 11:23 a.m.

I originally built monored Plargg because it is very consistent in 1v1 Historic Brawl on Arena with Inferno of the Star Mounts, and Approaches were cheap at the time--I actually have 38 copies. I will probably build it on MTGO to playtest since it's not very many TIX

October 19, 2021 12:26 p.m.

RambIe says... #9

That's based on stone alone. If you factor in you only need to hit 13 cards on the ripple, pryomancers ascension cuts this number in half, burning prophet makes the probably 1 in 5, harness the storm can start with 2 triggers to survive a wiff, mizzets mastery resets the loop if it fails.
So if you can gain consistent access to one of these type of functions you could potentially greatly reduce the number.

October 19, 2021 6:07 p.m.

RambIe says... #10

Have you considered swapping Syr Carah, the Bold as the general? Access to her with the stone potentially changes the odds from 1 in 4 to 1 in 7 cards. This would dramatically lower the demand of approaches needed

October 19, 2021 6:13 p.m.

RambIe says... #11

1in7=15 3 opponents
1in6=17 2 opponents
1in5=20 1 opponent
1in4=25 stone base odds
If you ran it at 1 in 5 (20 copys) you could add 13 cards to the deck

October 19, 2021 6:19 p.m. Edited.

Ramble Syr Carah is definitely a candidate for the Commander spot. Your explanation does make me feel like it's possible to go as low as 30 but it's going to take playtesting. I have also considered giving Plargg, Dean of Chaos  Flip a chance at the helm. Magda, Brazen Outlaw is also at 2 cmc and great for cheating out Thrumming Stone, but the best Treasure support cards aren't worth their market price to me. Harnfel, Horn of Bounty avoids creature removal and that flexibility of Birgi feels relevant.

October 19, 2021 9:09 p.m.

Flame Channeler  Flip is a like a weaker version of Carah so there's another 2-drop creature I should probably squeeze in.

October 20, 2021 1:36 p.m.

Love the commander: very nice fit with all the colorless cost reduction!

30ish copies, for me: I had 33-34 Relentless Rats in my old Marrow-Gnawer deck. 1 in 3 was good enough odds to make it semi-reliable, but still leave it interesting. I’d accept 3/10 odds if pressed for space, but it depends on how much other stuff you plan on shoehorning into the 99. I wasn’t exactly running MG to spice my games with variety.

Looking at the chart breakdown, 33-34 straddles 70% likelihood if you somehow manage to ripple turn 2? Not bad.

Looking at the decklist, you have a lot of internal synergy. Have you tried playing a few games of goldfish to see if any cards seem overly redundant? Maybe switch out cards of duplicate function that don’t meet the standard you want. You might drop some wheel effects or one of the cost-reducing cards if you’re feeling a lack of removal.

I’d say 7-10 instances of removal tend to be enough if the deck’s efficient, which this certainly looks to be. Too many and I’ve personally felr I’m not actually playing, just taking potshots at other people’s fun. At least, that’s my excuse when removal is chromatically scarce.

October 21, 2021 11:59 p.m.

Mana_Mythic_Legendary I've never understood how to get anything useful out of goldfishing. This deck was pretty cheap to build on MTGO so I am playtesting a version there with a lower curve and almost no removal; it's been fun when I don't get smashed by cEDH. Boros KikiTwin was removal heavy--I kept a paper game involving Gitrog and Tasigur going for 3 hours so I feel that; wish I still had that WoF but I don't miss that deck :P

October 22, 2021 2:03 a.m.

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