Redirect in EDH?
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on March 25, 2021, 10:19 p.m. by Tacovine
Thoughts on Redirect in EDH? I'm thinking in addition to redirecting a burn spell aimed at you, countering a counterspell (by directing it at Redirect) you can use it to draw cards off an opponents Return of the Wildspeaker , etc. Situationally might be better than a counterspell. Am I missing something?
Ah.. my bad, spell needs to target something... But still potentially more useful than just countering a Swords or Force of Vigor .
March 25, 2021 11:01 p.m.
The best cards to Redirect would be extra turn spells. Nothing feels better than ripping off a Time Stretch . Redirecting removal targeting your stuff to someone else is a great way to unbalance a game in your favor, too. You can also steal Peer into the Abyss .
March 25, 2021 11:44 p.m.
As for how good it is in EDH? I don't think it's good. Narset's Reversal is essentially the same thing while being more versatile since it can turn any instant or sorcery to your advantage whereas Redirect only works on certain spells. Keeping up for a situational counterspell isn't generally worth it. Deflecting Swat is mostly only used because it's generally free. If not, it can be cast in a pinch.
March 25, 2021 11:47 p.m.
Depends on the kind of spells that you're expecting to go up against, but Misdirection is a nice choice. Not having to keep double blue up is helpful and means that your opponent is less likely to see it coming (since double blue up screams some sort of countermagic).
You also have Twincast , which can copy a counterspell, but can also copy extra turn spells, big mana Exsanguinate s and the like and since you're adding a spell to the stack, yours will resolve first. It's a pretty good feeling to win off somebody else's Exsanguinate .
March 26, 2021 12:47 a.m.
SynergyBuild says... #7
@enpc is 100% right here, as someone who has played a heckton of these, the best for edh are as follows:
Misdirection - The king of redirects, it's just something that they never expect.
Deflecting Swat - Many consider this to be the best, but the need for a commander is a real cost, often decks have higher cmc commanders or want to redirect after a sweeper, as well as running red not being the best known for cheap commanders. Despite that, it is able to hit a ton and affect more than the average redirect effect, and is a massively powerful magic card.
Divert - Less known, but 1 mana is a massive benefit to the card, having taken a couple Blue Sun's Zenith and some extra turn spells, as well as changing a couple targets for some removal, it's a simple card that's budget enough for anyone to use.
Imp's Mischief - Mostly good since it's rarely expected, off color pretty hard, but also just good value and easy to cast.
March 26, 2021 1:37 a.m.
the function of redirecting as a hole is amazing in red
but limited in blue because blue has to many cards that would out perform a redirect card in almost every situation
Example: As enpc & SynergyBuild Both suggested
Misdirection
which is no doubt the best value you can find for this function in blue.
any situation you could cast
Misdirection
you could also cast
Force of Will
, or
Redirect
vs
Counterspell
as were in reds
Deflecting Swat
the runners up would be
Bolt Bend
&
Ricochet Trap
making the choice cut n dry
but like you said "Situationally might be better than a counterspell" the answer is yes there are some situations were redirect would out perform counter spells, key words there are "some" as most red players will testify most situations redirect spells sit as a dead card in your hand were a counter would have been the answer.
March 26, 2021 9:56 a.m.
P.S. In my Gruul and Jund decks i rely heavily on redirect and copy spells for stack battles
so these functions do have a place in edh over all just not best in class for blue
March 26, 2021 10:04 a.m.
Nerdytimesorwhatever says... #10
Pretty sure the copied Exanguinate would be put onto the stack with an X of 0, so while your copy does resolve first, it doesn't have an effect.
March 26, 2021 10:09 a.m.
enpc is correct
copy's target is the spell on the stack not the spell in the hand
so the value of x is what ever it was when it was placed on the stack
p.s.s i forgot to mention in my earlier post
Redirect
can stop a
Dovin's Veto
But
Counterspell
can stop every other card in the deck
March 26, 2021 10:13 a.m.
Nerdytimesorwhatever - Rule 706.2 specifically defines " choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on)" as copiable values for objects on the stack, so the value of X for an X spell will be copied.
March 26, 2021 10:14 a.m.
Haha, i was going to include
"Caerwyn723.1 could chime in here for proper terminology and rulings"
In my last post but a customer came in and i had to run
Its like you sensed the summons!
March 26, 2021 10:29 a.m.
Great comments all, thanks.. I should mention I'm not viewing this as a replacement for a counter but more an alternative to perhaps adding another. The situation I'm thinking of in meta is someone who plays a lot of removal spells. Instead of them fizzling, you remove that person's creatures.
March 26, 2021 5:42 p.m.
It is important to remember that redirecting target(s)... plural. Can actually make Deflecting Swat better than alot of the aforementioned redirects as they fall flat against spells with more than one target.
March 26, 2021 11:49 p.m.
Gleeock: you do however need red in your deck to play Deflecting Swat . But yes, assuming you can run it, it is generally better than most of the other redirect options.
If we are talking about red spells, there is also Wild Ricochet which gives you the best of both worlds.
March 27, 2021 7:50 a.m.
hey if were going that route can i plug in
Radiate
?
although often over looked for its high cmc
it still remains as one of the best red response cards
RNR_Gaming says... #2
Return of the Wildspeaker doesn't target - you can do some neat things with the card but it won't always be good which is why counterspells are inherently better. It'll come down to your meta but in perhaps a heavy extra turns meta these type of effects are pretty neat :)
March 25, 2021 10:27 p.m.