Power Level ratings tool!
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on May 26, 2023, 2:13 p.m. by grumbledore
Hi all :)
I've been working on building out a way to effectively determine a deck's power level. I have worked with people from the cedh community as well as some people from here like Crow-Umbra and Gidgetimer (thanks again, you guys!!!).
Anyways, I'd love to get some feedback on it - it's a fun project but its definitely a moving target that is very hard to quantify. So any help or suggestions would be amazing!
To use it, go to https://commandersalt.com and paste a link to one of your decks in the text box.
Thanks in advance!
grumbledore says... #3
Awesome thanks Crow-Umbra :D
And yes power level 7 is problematic in a lot of ways. I think what I've found after doing all of this is that PL 7 is basically the point of "too powerful for most casual pods, but can't hang with competitive pods". A lot of my decks lie in this range, so I've been trying to adjust them.
May 26, 2023 2:48 p.m.
Everyone knows there are exactly four tiers of EDH:
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not supposed to win
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friendly casual
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about a 7
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80% win rate T2 cEDH
More seriously, this is a great descriptive tool. One request (maybe I just didn't see it) is a way to filter by score. If I want to put together a deck ranked at 3-4 to help someone learn the format, a 6-7 for casual tournaments, and a 9.5+ for cEDH, I'd like to be able to quickly pull those up. Would this be possible?
Also, if a Salt or Combo score breaks 1000, the first digit is cut off, making it look like a 107 Combo score ranks above a 870 combo score.
If it makes a difference, I'm using Chrome on mobile.
May 26, 2023 3:20 p.m.
grumbledore says... #5
Hey thanks for the feedback legendofa :)
One request (maybe I just didn't see it) is a way to filter by score.
Yea that's high on my list of things to add! Hopefully next week hah
if a Salt or Combo score breaks 1000, the first digit is cut off
Oh nice - yea I had missed that. Thanks!! oh nice - I had missed that. good catch!
May 26, 2023 3:27 p.m.
grumbledore says... #6
actually legendofa, i just added that range selection now cause i loved the idea haha.
it is in the filters drop down :)
May 26, 2023 5:05 p.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #8
When I put in my Yawgmoth deck it gave me a 0 in the combo department..
May 27, 2023 5:31 p.m.
I tried two of my favorite decks. Isshin and my Rebbec/Glacian partner deck.
Isshin was a 4/10 which seems kinda crazy because I don't think any Isshin deck can be a 4/10 without purposefully limiting yourself. lol It also lists Myriad creatures like Herald of the Host as a Stax piece, which makes no sense. Adeline, Resplendent Cathar is also listed as Stax.
Rebbec/Glacian is a 6/10, which, to be honest, sounds fairly accurate. That deck does have two alternate win-cons, though. Not sure how those affect the score? Again, Stax is mentioned heavily in this deck and it lists Darksteel Forge as Stax, which is confusing to me. lol
In any event, I'm glad something like this exists and I hope it gets to the level that you want it to be at!
May 28, 2023 8:44 a.m.
I checked out the data for my Zur deck, and I was pleasantly surprised to see that it had a combo listed that I didn't actually know was in there, and it seems like a decent one. On the other hand, the deck is a Stax deck so some of it's 'win cons' don't technically win, they are just incredibly hard/impossible to deal with. it's not a fast deck for a cEDH deck, but I don't think Esper is meant to race to finish first.
I looked at Pavel, I think that deck could be rated a bit higher but I freely admit it's a surprise that the deck works as well/consistently as it does. It suffers from database issues, in part because it runs extremely old/weird cards here and there, and these aren't used often enough for people to recognize how playable they are. I will say it correctly discerned that Pavel isn't running tutors or combos, but it does lowball it's interaction a bit, depending on how you classify things as interaction (it has lots of repeatable removal). I think your database is wildly under valueing wipes in a deck that runs a relatively low creature count. Also, I find it uniquely hilarious that Thirst Dwarf has a low salt score, repeatable land destruction is usually pretty annoying.
I just put in my Tatyova deck and I noticed something reasonably significant, it doesn't count stuff like Sakura-Tribe Scout as ramp, it's also not counting my Cultivates so idk, it only counts my literal lands that ramp me when I checked. The database again seems to be quite unfamiliar with some of my win cons, as it only lists my Extra Turns stuff as 'win con' level combos, when the deck rarely wins via that.
Cool idea, but it seems to suffer from a limited data pool in some ways, or I build really weird decks (since I prioritize uniqueness I think I like weird decks).
May 28, 2023 noon
Wolfsbane706 says... #11
I threw my deck Jinnie's Catsplosion into the rating machine. Came out with a 7. It's kinda hilarious to me that I can, with all sincerest honesty, say that my deck is a "Seven". I never would've guessed it above a 6 at best lol.
July 13, 2023 5:45 p.m.
Please could someone explain how the scores work great tool by the way
Crow_Umbra says... #2
Thank you for the shout out, and happy I could contribute!
I've checked in on your site periodically since leaving my initial suggestions on your original thread, and have enjoyed seeing the site evolve. You are definitely trying to quantify the chasm of the Power Level 7 ratings haha.
I will need to sit and check it out in greater detail, but I have enjoyed the various new filtering features you've introduced to the search options and results outputs. I also like your suggested talking points for pre-game discussions.
If I notice any hiccups or discrepancies I will definitely keep you posted. Keep up the good work!
May 26, 2023 2:40 p.m.