cEDH Shimmer Zur vs Doomsday Zur
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on July 17, 2019, 6:18 p.m. by Randomsome1
I am starting to dabble in cEDH and leaning towards building a competitive Zur the Enchanter .
From what I saw Shimmer Myr Artifact Storm is more popular than Doomsday at the moment. I am wondering why? Is it easier to pilot, stronger, and/or more consistent?
I'm pretty sure Shimmer Zur is more popular because you can include DD as a package in it and increase the resiliency and flexibility of your game plan.
Personally I would not play DD. The piles are complicated and the thought process can be difficult but that type of stuff can truly be mastered in about an hour with proper coaching or reading of a quality primer. I wouldn't play that game plan just because it's extremely risky and super easy to disrupt plus is an all in approach that allows zero ability to recover from it. Same with the Forbidden Tutor into Lab Man lines. Super easy to deal with in my experience, and usually winds up costing you the match for attempting it against high quality competition piloting high quality decks.
It's usually a lot harder to deal with a game winning line that draws every card in the deck including all it's interaction and protection pieces, even with 3 players actively trying to fight it down. Zur trigger to fetch Necro into Angel's Grace and drawing the whole deck doesn't have a lot of ways to prevent it. DD gets stopped by everything in the kitchen sink as does it's pile but Zur won't have it's entire deck in hand to defend against the kitchen sink. It can be faster to deploy though.
I highly doubt this last bit of info is why it's more popular though, I think it's probably just cheaper and more flexible that's the reason it's more popular.
July 18, 2019 1:23 p.m.
Randomsome1 says... #5
jaymc1130 I feel like DD and Shimmer shouldn't be combined. Demonic Consultation Tainted Pact is the go to back up from what I've seen.
I haven't looked into Shimmer Zur too much. Is it really just: Necro, flash out a bunch of mana rocks and just get ahead super quick/ win with Aetherflux Reservoir ? What does the deck do while looking for Shimmer Myr?
July 18, 2019 6:23 p.m.
@ Randomsome1 Mostly plays control role and defense while trying to find Angel's Grace and Ad Naus with back up or just AG plus protection with an active Zur on the board. Typically the DD plan is back up option or moment of opportunity option when opponents make a mistake and leave an opening. It's fine to run both, as you can't really run stuff like skuloths original Ad Naus/DD only iteration in the meta any more. Those style of glass cannon builds that are ultra reliant on a single win conditon or combo line tend to be hopelessly outclassed by even slightly more resilient decks that are equally fast and interactive. Tends to mean you need more than one avenue to win games and DD+Shimmer is a good plan to do that, perhaps not ideal for some metas, but better than just one plan or the other in the meta at large.
Definitely proxy up a version of the deck and playtest a dozen games with it or so to get better acquainted with how it operates, that'll give you a better sense for what the deck is trying to do while looking for its pieces than anything I can describe in a couple of short paragraphs and a handful of lists out there have some good primers with this kind of stuff explained in a bit more depth.
July 20, 2019 9:47 a.m.
Randomsome1 says... #7
jaymc1130 Thank you for the advice and explaining that it's not DD vs Shimmer, but Shimmer evolved from DD. I'll look into good shimmer artifacts and a primer.
Proxy is definitely the plan, I do not have the money for spend on a fully optimized cEDH deck. Probably never will lol
Joe_Ken_ says... #2
I think it is because the flexibility of instant speed artifacts with Shimmer Myr although I would love to see Doomsday builds.
July 17, 2019 10:25 p.m.