New EDH wheel deck need help with wincons
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Posted on Dec. 1, 2020, 4:33 p.m. by I_Want_To_PlayAllTheDecks
I just made this deck https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-ghost-of-cards-from-the-past/ to abuse Ramirez's ability but I am having trouble finding wincons outside of the traditional damage when someone draws or discards cards that already see so much play. Any suggestions that are not to expensive I would love to hear but I really need helps with my wincons.
If you're not set on using these colors, it's somewhat easier to envision a win-con using Ghost of Ramirez DePietro + Tormod, the Desecrator since you can make zombies using Ramirez' ability.
If you're set on the colors and using wheels to win but not the commanders, you might like Xyris, the Writhing Storm. (In which case, I recommend Snakes need wheels, they don’t have feet *Primer* for a good start!)
If you're set on the commanders and the colors, probably the easiest way to win is just to control the board using wheels to get you card advantage and break parity by making others topdeck, and then put in an infinite combo like Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter + Walking Ballista or some Aetherflux Reservoir combo.
In that case you're heavily relying on Rielle, the Everwise, Hullbreacher, and Narset, Parter of Veils, so I'd recommend adding Drift of Phantasms to help find them more reliably.
December 1, 2020 6:02 p.m.
I_Want_To_PlayAllTheDecks says... #4
Thanks gatotempo and abby315 for the recommendations. Gatotempo, I have already built one Cedh deck and my friends wanted to kill me after a few games so I rarely play it now. I also like temur colors and the partners. Abby, Yeah I'm kinda set on both the Commanders and the colors, because I hate just plain ol izzet and I like using the new partners and especially one that very few people use. I do like the drift, but I'm not sure about using and combo win cuz it will turn into archenemy and no fun for anyone. Do you have any other ideas for wincons without going infinite? The current plan is to deck myself.
December 1, 2020 6:08 p.m.
I recommended infinite combos because it gives you some kind of eventuality, so that if you've got players locked down with your wheels and parity-breakers, you don't have to wait so many turns before you can win. I'm not sure which scenario is better for your playgroup: To wait 10+ turns for you to deck yourself, or to just lose to an infinite combo once you find the pieces, you know? I think the real "combo" is Rielle/Narset/Hullbreacher + a wheel, and the infinite combo is just a way to win.
Otherwise.... No, I can't really think of good ways to win by strictly profiting off of drawing cards. There's stuff like Psychosis Crawler or Fevered Visions to deal damage, but not a lot of redundancy.
Even if you don't want an infinite combo, I recommend finding a few cards that will lock down the game once you draw them.
December 1, 2020 6:22 p.m. Edited.
I_Want_To_PlayAllTheDecks says... #6
Oh abby315, I have an idea that I think my playgroup would be ok with, I'll run the Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal infinite mana combo and cut Blue Sun's Zenith, so there is no easy win hard to interact with combo, and instead since I'm already playing Underworld Breach I can cast a wheel until everyone's hand is gone and then cast Jace, Wielder of Mysteries for the win. My friends can also interact with it pretty easily so they will be ok with it, but since I run so many draw spells and wheels in shouldn't be that hard for me to combo off.
December 1, 2020 7:09 p.m.
FormOverFunction says... #8
My wheel deck doesn’t have any wheels, but there are a ton of weird things in there that could be fun. Maybe something in there could help? Torture!
December 1, 2020 7:28 p.m.
plakjekaas says... #9
You could always try to mill your opponents out with cards like Psychic Corrosion, Teferi's Tutelage and Sphinx's Tutelage, but be prepared for Eldrazi Titans if you do that
gatotempo says... #2
This is a very cool idea but I'm just wondering why you're not going with the path of Niv-Mizzet, Parun and Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind. Is this just a deckbuilding challenge? Are you casual and trying to keep on power level with the playgroup? Knowing the intended power level would help. Very interesting concept overall though.
December 1, 2020 5:06 p.m.