Ill-Tempered Loner Flip = Mass Evasion or Mass Removal?
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Posted on Nov. 8, 2021, 12:01 a.m. by theindigoeffect
It's hard to properly test a card until you play it, but because Howlpack Avenger Flip can redirect any damage dealt to your permanents, I think that most people wouldn't block a werewolf army, for fear of losing their permanents. Then again, a werewolf army is precisely the type of threat that needs to be blocked. I want to put this card in my Tovolar, Dire Overlord Flip deck, but I'm really not certain what effect it will have. It's just a werewolf tribal deck: it doesn't have a sub-theme that involves damaging my own permanents. Is it even worth including in the 99? What effect do you think the card would actually have in a game?
The fact that you can potentially outright win with Blasphemous Act makes it worth running.
I don't agree with the comment "I think that most people wouldn't block a werewolf army, for fear of losing their permanents", poeple will block depending on what the consequence of not blocking is. And so Howlpack Avenger Flip puts poeple into a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
Additionally, werewolves are like dinosaurs - there are some decent cards but not that many good ones that you can be overly picky (this isn't elves after all). And Avenger is a decent choice, even in a vacuum.
November 8, 2021 2:47 a.m.
Xenaphix02 says... #4
It's funny that I've talked about this before, but Gruul board wipes are way underrated. You should def consider running cards like Savage Twister and Klauth's Will that let you set the damage. Since most of your best creatures will have 4+ toughness, there's a good chance you'll find yourself a favorable trade. The fact that they synergize so sweetly with the loner is just sweet.
November 8, 2021 7:40 a.m.
griffstick says... #5
Put it in especially if you have any damage doublers. If you flash in Dictate of the Twin Gods at the right time. It's absurd. Did you know each time the source of damage is delt its doubled. So if someone or yourself Lightning Bolt's a creature you control while Howlpack Avenger Flip is out, befor that damage happens its doubled to 6. Then you redirect for 12 damage, and you can target one of your own creatures with it, again and again, creating a loop until you aim it at your opponent. For each creature it's doubled. 12 to 24, 24 to 48 and so on. This works because Howlpack Avenger Flip doesn't say anything about the damage coming from an opponent it also says any target.
November 8, 2021 8:21 a.m.
IHATENAMES says... #7
Arcbond + Zada, Hedron Grinder + any damage +(if you want to win not tie) lifelink
seshiro_of_the_orochi says... #2
I think including it is the right decision. Both sides can point the damage anywhere, so this is basically a better Siege Behemoth for all of your werewolves. If your army is big enough, he basically guaranties you a successful alph strike that can even take down some permanents from other players.
November 8, 2021 12:25 a.m.