Balance requires a choice... (Choices to make for cuts based on overall better ideas...)

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Posted on June 3, 2019, 2:29 p.m. by BMHKain

Okay. This will sound like I'm still a fool about this, but I believe the only true way to end this is through cooperation, & what is considered better as choices. W/ a truly uncleanable slate, I'd rather you don't choose for me (That happened to me once before, & it ended poorly, moreso than most.); but rather, suggest between either multiple or the fate of one thing(s), & I'll work from there. Concise enough, right? I mean, most CONTRA games have one simple goal to advance (& yes, I'm not just referring to the original on the NES.); Run, & Shoot. You can't go any further for that if you wish for further simplicity.

Alright, I'll shut it about the Contra Games; it's time to decide various card's Fates... Oh, & here's the Decklist in case you do care; don't worry, I'll clean the Planeswalker Amount up after all is set & done.


1000% Spark Storm (EDH Superfriends Primer)

Commander / EDH* BMHKain

SCORE: 2 | 14 COMMENTS | 765 VIEWS | IN 3 FOLDERS


& Yes, I know it's not a Primer; I tried to do that, but as of WAR, there was too much content to handle, & abandoned the project entirely. Thus, a renaming is in order soon enough...

Q1. While both are good in their own, which duo do you believe is the better duo for this, & the other, more cut worthy?
1. Aminatou, the Fateshifter and/or Spark Double 2. Planebound Accomplice + Cloudstone Curio combo

Q2. Urza, Lord High Artificer is OP all over. There's already a threat of him being banned. He can convert any untapped Artifice you have like Mox Sapphire ; a card that's already banned, & he can make ALOT of Mox all at once, & can reset your library on the fly.

But, is he really worth it in Superfriends? He is a God among machines, that'll be dethroned quicker than Leovold, Emissary of Trest when he got banned.

Q3. What draw card should I even use in the first place?

A: Mystic Remora & Rhystic Study only; it seems so few are giving Search for Azcanta  Flip a chance. But no Phyrexian Arena nor Sylvan Library ? I myself would like to know why...

Q4. Many seem to be against Oath of Gideon these days. I already have stuff that might be better than it. Is such an Oath broken based on recent events?

Q5. W/ Kytheon now dead, & the possibility of removing his Oath, I feel that I want to put a Planeswalker in that has the Gideon Type that is also good W/ Superfriends; or the least bad in this case. That, & I wonder if there will ever be a thing of Nissa being compatable to Superfriends as well. Both are possible but just in case...

The community seems in favor that there is no place for Kytheon in Superfriends/Avengers. What about Nissa? B: Do you think Nissa deserves a place in Superfriends, & if so, Which Iteration?

Q6. Nexus of Fate was left on its own after Liliana Vess is cut. What to do about such a notion?

Nexus of Fate is left on its own. Don't worry about them walkers though. I'll handle that.

Q8. Apparently Bigger DOESN'T mean better in this archetype. The Hydra gets killed by the Walkers that stayed back in Ravnica.

Q9. W/ Q1 as a part of this charade, this is going to make Thran Temporal Gateway far less relevant. Do you believe I should keep this still?

Q10. Three Walkers have been hated on by all, but me: Saheeli, Sublime Artificer , Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast , & Rowan Kenrith . All these three cards I like alot, but nobody else does. Let's start w/ Rowan as she's obviously going to get hated the most. This deck already has Crawlspace (Which reduces her forced number of Attacking enemy creatures to 2.), Meekstone (Which locksdown those w/ 3 or more Power that do attack, rendered untapped their next turn.).

Should I keep Rowan Kenrith , or should I amp up the level of defense for Rowan, & from there, my Walkers as a whole, & if so, what would you reccomend?

Saheeli, Sublime Artificer is next. Just having a Static ability to make Durdles for every noncreature you cast is awesome. What's not awesome? Most of my targets are Rocks, & I'd like some good targets, & even an End the Turn effect to keep the fruits of Saheeli's nature.

Should I keep Saheeli, Sublime Artificer , & if so, can you think of any good targets for her; & a decent End the Turn effect? The best I can find are Sundial of the Infinite , & Time Stop ; I already have a Sorcery Speed Timetwister , & I don't want to lose.

Finally, Daretti himself. Sure, his constructs can't attack due to Defender, but listen wisely; you can also sac your Constructs, & Saheeli's Servos as ammo to destroy enemy Artifice & even enemy creatures. You just need one aftifact, & those durdles are very good at that. His Ult. can make 3 copies of an artifact you control. But what if I told you it doesn't matter whose Graveyard you're copying Artifacts, nor even who controls them. Yep. You can simply search your opponent's yard & make three big things all at once. Go ahead. Take their Blightsteel Colossus , & Winfect. Steal their Rocks for yourself! There is only little that Daretti can't do w/ all this.

After that, Should I keep Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast ? & I apologize for the descriptions for the three; I wanted to show a basic synopsis for them.

Q11. As I have more Creatures, Topdecking, & a decent array of lands, I also want to know if another Walker in particular is more priveledged to be in there now; Vivien Reid . Based on her abilities (Spot Removal, prep-topdeck, & an awesome Emblem.), do you think she should be added?

Q12. W/O 10/10/10, how would you redesign this deck's Landbase w/ the following link? Note that the first 5 slots are taken by default via the Cycle Duals (from Amonkhet.), & that it has Crucible of Worlds .


Budget cedh mana base

Commander / EDH* timmyt1000

SCORE: 24 | 10 COMMENTS | 2466 VIEWS | IN 28 FOLDERS


Q13. Having mana in all 5 Colors is great, but sometimes, not having all the mana types might not be worth it all.

Based on this, What should I keep?

A: Chromatic Lantern

B: Prismatic Omen

C: Both of the former.

D: Neither.

E: Keep Omen, & suggest a new, much better rock to add on the deck's competitive nature.

Well, that's all the questions I have for now. I hope this Q&A thing can help w/ the whole deck revising. & after I got my answrs, I'll take it from here. Thank you again for all this. :)

LordBlackblade says... #2

This post is better than some of your other ones, but there's still a lot of superfluous text. Don't take this a negative response, but as some constructive criticism. You're far, far more likely to get the deck help you need with a shorter, to the point post. I realize it might be tough for you, but it will help increase the chance that you'll get the responses you're looking for! Most people will see a wall of text and just click away from there.

Always start with a link to the decklist if the questions are about a specific deck.

I'm going to refine this to show you how concise this post could really be.

1) Which combo is more effective in this deck?

2) Is Urza, Lord High Artificer worth a card slot in this deck?

3) Which card draw card is best in this deck?

4) Is Oath of Gideon worth a card slot in this deck?

5) Are there any Gideon planeswalkers worth running in this deck?

6) Are there any Nissa planeswalkers worth running in this deck?

7) Does running Nexus of Fate require running a tutor like Liliana Vess to be effective?

8) Is Bioessence Hydra worth a card slot in this deck?

This concise form is less than one-fifth the size of your original post to ask the same questions. The key to remember is that people are lazy and far more likely to assist someone if it takes less effort on their part.

Going forward, carefully consider each sentence in your post. Ask yourself, "Is this vital to the question I am asking?" if you even hesitate when considering a sentence, leave it out.

Remember the old adage: "Less is more!"

June 3, 2019 3:09 p.m.

BMHKain says... #3

@LordBlackblade: Actually, that might be the best damn help you can give me since our first meeting. I'll proceed to simplify the dang thing, sans responses as part of a choice as a result. Obviously you may already know the Deck in Question, but I'll include it anyway. Oh, & it is true that if Un-Format Cards were still legal anywhere, Urza, Academy Headmaster is Trumped by Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God anyway; his Static Ability alone is basically what that Urza can do, but Urza is internet based, & a Roulette effect w/ only randomization as anything.

Alright. No more distractions, Time to revise what I actually DID start myself this time.

June 3, 2019 4:16 p.m.

That's a lot of words, is this post just for getting people's opinions while asking for people not to choose for you? I'm honestly confused. What Blackblade said earlier is definitely something you should do.

Try to simplify your questions as much as possible and put them in a line-by-line format, something like what Blackblade said in their comment.

A good way to shorten your questions is to leave out the references that don't add to the post. For example in this question:

B: Ted Allen: Congratulations, (Your name here.). You have won today's competition with your Remora with the unorthodox route of Cumin, & Panko Crust, all sliced into pieces in equal size, & equal distribution of each of the ingredients you used. (Keep Mystic Remora .)

I'm assuming you mean to keep or to remove Mystic Remora? People aren't going to want to read a bunch of mostly useless text for a reference that they may or may not get before getting to the actual question that you are asking.

If you'd like to improve on this on your decks and just generally, here and here are a few resources that can help you write more concisely and to attract viewers to your page, both made by Epochalyptik, an inactive moderator on the site.

June 3, 2019 4:48 p.m.

GhostChieftain says... #5

Yeah, getting your point across with as few words as possible for everyone will improve your results on these questions drastically.

I will answer a few of your questions as best as I can. I would say that both remora and study are worth putting in. Gideons are pretty bad in most cases for edh so I would avoid gids in general. Nexus is fine without lili vess, but being able to search for it is nice. Bioessence hydra is not worth running imo.

June 3, 2019 5:12 p.m.

BMHKain says... #6

@scotchtapedsleeves: Huh... two links that might be useful. Okay, maybe I might have goofed up yet again after seeing the following:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-articles/2012/may/23/getting-more-views-your-decks/

&

http://tappedout.net/mtg-articles/2015/apr/12/do-you-want-write-primer/

I guess I'll check them out later on...

That said, I feel like I learned something... But how am I supposed to learn that something- wait, I was told to zip it about meaningless pop culture here, & just be simple & to the point... X/

June 3, 2019 7:38 p.m.

BMHKain says... #7

BUMPOTIZED!

Added a new question, & am working on a Prismite Pauper based Infinite Colored Mana Combo; if any.

But I still need many of my questions still answered. I took the liberty of acknowledging your opinions, & worked from there. But is anybody willing to answer the rest? I already am planning to put my Oathbreaker Deck in the right section; but the section isn't even there.

So what Qs can you As? ((Q)uestion, & (A)nswers. X/)

June 5, 2019 11:05 a.m.

BMHKain says... #8

PMUB

HSAWAKNOW

That's Bump & Wonkawash spelt backwards. XP

I still need some questions on the OP Answered, please. There's still plenty left. & I can't make these decisions alone this time...

June 6, 2019 1:58 p.m.

GhostChieftain says... #9

You can make these decisions on your own. My suggestion for you so you can keep improving as a deckbuilder and as a magic player in general, is to try things you think might work. If they don't work, remove them and learn from it. Tapped out is a great resource and it is awesome to ask when you don't know something, but sometimes you need to just jump on an idea and run with it so you have personal growth rather than others making all of the decisions on how to make your deck. You can do it! I don't know you, but I believe in you!

June 6, 2019 2:30 p.m.

BMHKain says... #10

@GhostChieftain: Late response after all is set in stone. Thanks for the words of encouragement. But just imagine what would happen if Hell in the Multiverse, Incarnate happens (Yep, it's a Core Set 2020 Chandra that is just incredible.)… Well, w/ that, I definitely have my hands full. But, yeah. This is my fate I'm etching here; & even if impossible, Koth of the Hammer said this himself: "If there ca be no victory, I will fight forever." ( Source Cited .)

June 12, 2019 9:02 a.m.

BMHKain says... #11

@GhostChieftain: Progress report:

I have gotten myself to 19 cuts remaining; but w/ the idea of a new Chandra & a new Ajani beating me up faster than cuts, what in the right mind to do about this... I'll just make some new questions until further notice. It's ironic I put back Aminatou, the Fateshifter & Spark Double again. Maybe I should revise the questions w/ some new ones in case anyone cares. I'm fighting an unending war regardless. Might as well embrace it the way a Grixis Individual should; those like me...

June 17, 2019 3:19 p.m.

Try to cut it as slim as you can and come back to me when you are only 4 or 5 over. If it doesn't directly strengthen your main plan and you are unsure about the card, just whindmill slam it into a nope pile

June 17, 2019 3:57 p.m.

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