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Commander / EDH Cloudius

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Added Dimir Machinations —Sept. 15, 2018

Added

  1. Dimir Machinations - Top of Library Manipulation and Tutor in 1 card is great value, especially when it can fetch key cards like Proteus Staff, Penance or the toxic board wipe we all hate... Toxic Deluge.

Removed

  1. Devastation Tide - The pace of the deck often doesn't require us to hit the Reset button.

MagicZ says... #1

I like this deck a lot. I am fairly new so I do not have much insight to provide.

September 2, 2018 9:19 p.m.

Cloudius says... #2

MagicZ thanks for the comment. As per the forum rules, any feedback would be appreciated. Alternatively, upvoting the deck is also helpful.

September 2, 2018 10:04 p.m.

catar2 says... #3

I playtested it three times and I always run into the same problems: slow start hands by drawing your high cmc cards that you want to cast with the attack trigger. By turn 7 I was able to cast the commander. I usually finish of at least one opponent by turn 7.

Your deck is a lot of fun and your top deck manipulation design feels really good. However, you might be dead on board until you can pull something off. How do you protect yourself until you assemble your wincons?

Maybe Glacial Chasm ?

September 3, 2018 10:46 a.m.

Cloudius says... #4

catar2 thanks for helping to play test the deck.

I too have been play testing this deck with varying results, ranging from very explosive early game wins to the situations you mentioned above. My meta is a casual one so I usually try to keep the power levels of my deck at a moderate level.

That said, I've recently removed some high CMC "win-more" cards from the list and added in a bit more ramp to ensure we can hit 5-6 mana asap and be able to hard cast some high CMC spells (just in case the commander gets removed or countered).

The deck offers protection in the following ways:

  1. 12 removal spells and 6 counter spells

  2. Playing Politics

  3. Being the underdog (Yennett decks aren't known for being fast pace and most decks rely on creatures and accruing incremental value by casting free "odd CMC" spells)

  4. "The best defense is offense" so aggressively taking extra turns and tutoring up our combo pieces while taking a few hits is still ok (as long as they ain't lethal of course).

Keep the suggestions coming! I do want to add more lines of victory, while keeping to the creatureless and unorthodox theme, if space permits. Let the creative juices flow!

September 3, 2018 12:02 p.m.

catar2 says... #5

Hey Cloudius, your strategy seems solid. Extra turns will give you enough protection once you got there.

Talking about your removal slot: it shows 4 single target removal and 7 boardwipes. Counters are also a form of single target removal, so technically you have 9 STR and 7 boardwipes. Although you might want to protect your extra turns with it. All in all, that is pretty solid. Maybe you want to exchange a symmetrical boardwipe with In Garruk's Wake or Plague Wind. Btw, you have Mystic Confluence three times in your deck. I know it overlaps, but you have to add two more cards.

However, your draw slot seems to be a bit weak. I know that you get your stuff with the Yennett triggers, but in EDH we love to draw cards. Suggestions: Mystic Remora, Rhystic Study, Land Tax, Jace's Ingenuity, Stroke of Genius, Sphinx's Revelation, Skeletal Scrying, Night's Whisper, Read the Bones etc.

Btw Frantic Search is not card draw, but card selection.

Strionic Resonator might also be good to get two Yennett triggers. And Mind's Dilation is nice to get extra value.

For top deck manipulationCrystal Ball, Portent, Soothsaying and Halimar Depths might be good.

All that being said. Your deck looks like a lot of fun, I really would like to play it =)

September 4, 2018 3:34 a.m.

Cloudius says... #6

catar2 awesome discussion and flow of ideas we're having here.

I've opted to display the cards in "Custom Categories" mode thus you'll see cards being repeated when they serve several functions, e.g. Mystic Confluence like you rightly pointed out.

You're spot on about the limited card draw slots! Being a combo based deck, I've opted for more tutors over card draws. The current version runs 16 tutors (include "Transmute" ones) to gather up the combo pieces asap. That said, not being able to draw into the tutors is an issue too, so we'll have to strike a balance. This is certainly an area am looking at as I play test this deck.

Strionic Resonator was in my earlier version of the deck but I've removed it as I've lesser mechanics to control the 2nd card of the library and it's only useful when interacting with Yennett. I could be way off but I think it's more of a "win more" card. Same for Mind's Dilation.

Your suggestions for top deck manipulation are awesome. I'll have to find ways to fit them in where able!

Feel free to play test the deck here on tappedout or if you ever form the physical deck, let me know how it fares!

Help upvote the deck too if you like it. Thanks very much in advance

September 4, 2018 4:08 a.m.

DrkNinja says... #7

I just have to say this... I hate Goblin Charbelcher, IT SHOULD NOT WORK the way it does. God I hate that card.

September 4, 2018 4:04 p.m.

maelstromboli says... #8

Hey, I had the doomsday build. You have a super interesting build for sure, though a little too high CMC for my blood lol. One thing I've been pondering, since we're playing isochron scepter anyway, is it worth it to play dramatic reversal? I'm running soothsaying in my build so it is essentially the same, but I otherwise don't have a pay off for infinite mana (though If I have a sensei's top/scroll rack out, it's also an instant win). Curious what you think about that.

September 7, 2018 12:49 p.m.

Cloudius says... #9

maelstromboli I saw your list when researching on the deck on Tappedout. Nice deck for sure!

The CMC is due to several high CMC cards am running like Expropriate and Temporal Trespass, though I'd almost never hard cast them.

As you rightly pointed out, both our decks currently don't have a Mana sink outlet for Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter combo. In order to keep my deck creatureless, there're some outlets which I don't have access to, like Walking Ballista.

Aetherflux Reservoir is viable for me, essentially a 4 card combo (Mana rock producing at least 2 mana, Scepter, Reversal and Aetherflux Reservoir). I'm still exploring more alternate routes to victory so this is one possibility.

I used to run a Jeleva Doomsday deck but it became dry very fast and I'm losing friends even faster. LOL. Now am just exploring unifunky builds like this one.

September 8, 2018 2:18 a.m.