The EDH Doomsday Primer

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Grenzo —Nov. 2, 2017

I added Grenzo piles. By that I mean I linked a primer which does a much better job than I could.

Sgtpopnfreash says... #1

AlphaBlood0523 yes I advise that you add blue.

October 24, 2017 12:46 a.m.

AlwaysSleepy says... #2

AlphaBlood0523

Not having blue will definitely hurt. You lose out on Laboratory Maniac, which is the best win-condition so far for DD. There are piles you can do using black card draw and Second Sunrise. The pile is going to be a little rough since you don't get blue. Also, this one specifically requires you to open the pile a draw 2. So like, Faithless Looting. Here's the pile:

  1. Night's Whisper
  2. Lion's Eye Diamond
  3. Conjurer's Bauble
  4. Grapeshot
  5. Second Sunrise

This pile works like this:


Bear in mind, you need a way to draw Night's Whisper. Black has a decent amount of card draw to get this done. Red loot spells might also get you there.

  1. Cast your draw 2 (Faithless Looting for ) into Night's Whisper and Lion's Eye Diamond; if you are looting, you'll need 2 extra cards, you have to keep the two you draw
  2. Cast Night's Whisper for to draw Grapeshot and Conjurer's Bauble
  3. Play Lion's Eye Diamond and cast Conjurer's Bauble for
  4. Crack Lion's Eye Diamond for , discarding Grapeshot
  5. Crack Conjurer's Bauble, do not put anything into your library, and draw Second Sunrise
  6. Cast Second Sunrise, bringing back Lion's Eye Diamond and Conjurer's Bauble
  7. Crack Lion's Eye Diamond again for
  8. Crack Conjurer's Bauble, put Second Sunrise on the bottom (top) of your library, and draw it
  9. Recast Second Sunrise
  10. Repeat steps 6 through 9 for infinite storm count via the Second Sunrise loop
  11. When you are done, crack your Lion's Eye Diamond for
  12. Use Conjurer's Bauble targeting Grapeshot in place of Second Sunrise to put it on top of your library, and then draw Grapeshot
  13. Grapeshot the table to win

This pile has a number of ways to work. It's best with Predict, but we don't have blue. The pile I listed costs total. You can play around with draw spells to get the pile moving, as a number of different things work. But bear in mind it's an awkward pile, as 4 slots are taken up in Grapeshot, Lion's Eye Diamond, Conjurer's Bauble, and Second Sunrise. If you can only draw one, you might need one of the draw 3/4 spells. Many of red's or black's draw spells hit 2 cards though, so at least the density is there.

There are other things you can do also without blue. Namely, piling a combo and winning with the combo. Worldgorger Dragon piles with Animate Dead and Faithless Looting plus some outlet are fairly common, so feel free to use George with any outlet you prefer. Even silly things Shivan Gorge work with George. Other combos which can be piled are Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker piles and winning with some Twin combo.

I haven't spent too much time exploring blueless though, to be honest. So there is likely a lot more space to tap into. Unfortunately though, losing Maniac really hurts, and it begins to make winning off DD more work than a convenience.

Hopefully this helps a bit.

October 24, 2017 12:57 a.m.

AlphaBlood0523 says... #3

Thank you so much for all of your assistance, it mean more than the world, you've made my day so much easier and made the game alot more fun For me thank you

October 25, 2017 2:59 a.m.

AlwaysSleepy says... #4

AlphaBlood0523

No problem.

October 25, 2017 8:43 a.m.