Tasigur Seasons Past / Season Pastigur

Commander / EDH LabManiac_Cameron

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Updates to several Packages. —Dec. 11, 2017

After a long time in testing... we I have rolled Hulk into this deck.
Cuts have all been added to the Sideboard and adds are listed below.

Dramatic Reversal
Isochron Scepter
Copy Artifact
Flash
Protean Hulk
Phyrexian Delver
Viscera Seet
Walking Ballista
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
Imperial Seal
Engineered Explosives
Brainstorm
Body Snatcher

Abysswalker- says... #1

Love the idea of this list. +1 I'm definitely going to be attempting a build of it to become the local fun police and just had a few questions.

Have you considered running loot effects like Frantic Search and Forbidden Alchemy to fill our graves or cantrips like Brainstorm, Ponder, and Preordain to speed our draws? If so what would you swap out for such effects?

I've done some playtesting as well and was just wondering what brought your land count so low for a control list. Often I find opening hands unkeepable for lack of land mana to do anything impactful to slow others down.

June 24, 2017 8:54 p.m. Edited.

Abysswalker-: The big thing with cantrips is that they are the worst thing possible that an opponent could give back to you. They add to the cost of getting a piece of interaction. The sorcery speed ones are the worst. The list above has been transitioning away from reanimator for a while. There are a few more pieces that are going to be going soon. If any, Brainstorm, is the only one that looks like it may earn a slot. The big thing is that is instant speed and has the ability to put cards back in our deck, getting rid of trash cards is a big upside and something we could use.

June 25, 2017 10:12 p.m.

GitGudFrog says... #3

Now that you have had some adequate time to play counterbalance, how has it been working for you?

June 29, 2017 9:32 a.m.

goon1993 - In cEDH, counterbalance is amazing. The density at 1-2 cmc is pretty high and we get a lot of blind flips and a lot of stack control when we get top out. Outside of cEDH, it is no where near as good.

June 29, 2017 1:56 p.m.

Abysswalker- says... #5

Just wondering...what are your best targets for Intuition? I saw the Life from the Loam, Cabal Coffers and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth tech but maybe I'm missing another neat trick.

Has Manifold Insights done much work for you in games? I imagine most times your opponents won't give you anything largely impactful with it since it's less reactionary than a Tasigur activation. Seems weaker in smaller pods too.

What are you thoughts on Grim Flayer for this list? Getting delirium seems easy and fixing draws early with a 2-mana 4/4 can't be a bad thing.

Thanks!

June 30, 2017 1:46 p.m.

Abysswalker-: Intuition is usually a Life from the Loam value pile (Life from the Loam > coffers+urborg > fetch+cycling > utility land -- any combination of these depending on current state) or it is a double entomb when you need a Counterspell and no one else has one. If everyone is tapped out and only you have it, tutor for a counterspell and two other things and you get free value by putting relevant things in the bin.

In a four player pod Manifold insights is great. We get the same level of card selection as Tasigur does when he's just activating for value, and the big thing is that it gets around Chains of Mephistopheles/Notion Thief.

Not a fan of Grim Flayer. Too many Thrasios's to see him ever get real value. He's similar to Sensei's Divining Top but a lot harder to cast and activate.

July 16, 2017 2:28 p.m.

buildingadeck says... #7

How good is Season's Past in the current list? It used to be a win through Omniscience, but without Omni in the list, I'm not sure it's as powerful as other options, like Time Spiral or other. Thoughts?

July 30, 2017 3:36 p.m.

RyanDotExe says... #8

What do you think of Batterskull? It does a couple of things including: Gain you lifeProduce infinite storm for aetherflux*Let's you possibly (though hopefully not) winning with commander damage.

July 31, 2017 7:24 p.m.

buildingadeck - I'm re-evaluating it now. Like you said it isn't a wincon on its own as we are all in on Palinchron. I think that the deck needs some more rework with hulk and I may swap over to dramatic scepter at this point.

RyanDotExe - Batterskull doesn't do anything in a cEDH. Although it does gain life, it isn't what we are looking for in a card that can loop with Aetherflux.

July 31, 2017 7:31 p.m.

buildingadeck says... #10

Iso/Rev seems smoother to me. Cmc is much lower, and we have the rocks/dorks to support it.

July 31, 2017 7:37 p.m.

Abysswalker- says... #11

I would agree with Isochron/Reversal over Palinchron/Phantasm. Easier to assemble, easier to protect, turns mana rocks into not only extra tasigur activations but win cons as well. Lowering cmc even makes Ad Naus a viable draw spell.

Mystic Speculation/Paradox Engine isn't half bad either.

July 31, 2017 7:50 p.m.

Mediumrick says... #12

@LabManiac_Cameron I love your deck and have used it as an influence for mine. How necessary is Entomb? I find myself wanting to cut it for Shadow of Doubt in my current build. I realize my deck is different than yours but I'm interested in your opinion on the card.

August 3, 2017 12:25 p.m.

Ash3n - entomb is currently being chopped. I'm doing testing right now regarding some changes after the Reanimator being mostly pulled from the deck.

August 3, 2017 12:38 p.m.

Mediumrick says... #14

Gottcha, very interesting. The reanimation has been great in my games not as a central theme but as more utility. Often Palinchron/Phantasmal Image will end up in the grave from Tas activations and reanimate enables the combo with ease. I'd be hesitant to let that go as it is currently built. I'm very interested to see where you go with the deck, keep us posted!

August 3, 2017 12:43 p.m.

Ash3n - Tasigur Value Hulk theorycrafting is what I am currently testing.

August 3, 2017 5:08 p.m.

zaikel says... #16

Hi @LabManiac_Cameron awsome work, i really like this deck. Do yoy have any update for it? You think that the hulk version is better or you will stick to the seasons past list? and one last thing, in a not so competitive group with more creature based lists apart from more removals the reanimate/show and tell/omni package will be worth to add? Thank you.

September 19, 2017 12:03 p.m.

zaikel - Both versions are good. I'm not sure I like the hulk route right now but haven't had a lot of time to play test. Graveyard hate is getting stronger which is good and bad for us. We have to be more careful about losing wincons to exiles but also don't have to fear Hulk as much. For a more creature based meta, the reanimator route is okay. I'd also add a good amount of the removal in that is in the maybeboard right now.

September 19, 2017 3:53 p.m.

MagicalHacker says... #18

Hey, I saw you are playing Manifold Insights, and I have been thinking about adding it to some of my decks, but I wanted to ask you:

  1. Is it good in general for blue decks?

  2. Is it good enough in spite of the fact that EDH won't always have 3 or more opponents? (Especially since not all players die simultaneously.)

  3. Is it good enough in spite of the fact that opponents can choose what you draw?

Thanks :)

September 23, 2017 7:33 p.m.

MagicalHacker - Sigi was running Manifold Insights in his Chain Veil Teferi deck, where I first saw it. It is a 3 mana draw 3 in a 4 player pod. If you are not in a 4 player pod, it isn't nearly as good. For Tasigur, we are already getting opponent's choices. If you look at it in relation to a Tasigur activation, 4 mana for 1 nonland card from our graveyard, in a 4 player pod we are getting a much better value to mana ratio. It helps us maintain gas. Also of note, different decks will value things differently - one player could desperately not want to give us a swan song, while another could care less. This leads to us getting things that are usually evenly distributed against the table.

September 26, 2017 3:20 p.m.

MagicalHacker says... #20

Thanks for the response :)

September 26, 2017 4:02 p.m.

CoolCat7271 says... #21

I watched a few videos of the deck in action, do you activate tasigur until all nonlands are in hand, then cast one spell at a time to keep recurring, with no cards in library?

November 13, 2017 12:16 a.m.