Super Smash Boros | Firesong & Sunspeaker EDH

Commander / EDH Suns_Champion

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Everything comes at a cost, especially revolution —March 15, 2018

60 Upvotes!

Number 1 deck on Tapped/Out for like, three days in a row!

Over 60 Comments!

Thank you all SO much! I'm humbled and amazed at all the help and attention!

Few changes:

I'm starting to sort out my maybe and side boards, filtering through cards that I don't think I'll use and ones I might.

In:

  • Aetherflux Reservoir: broke down and added this one. It doesn't say "you win the game" and it burns people instead so It's okay.
  • Basilisk Collar: turn my commander into a killing machine and gain even more life!
  • Buried Ruin: Artifact recursion. Needed.
  • Command Beacon: My commander costs a lot, this will help me late game.

Out:

I'm starting to orient the deck harder towards the combo and sunforger, but I want the Neheb sub theme and Painter's servant value to still be intact in case the combo doesn't work.

I think I finally have a pretty solid list. But there is so much work yet to be down! There's at least two Dominaria cards I want to fit in here but I'll add those come spoiler season. See you all in the comments!

Haldarious says... #1

Light of Sanction and an Alara block deep cut, Mark of Asylum, will protect your own guys from your mass damage spells.

March 11, 2018 12:06 a.m.

Suns_Champion says... #2

Hanzel1 thanks for the comment! The medallions only really work for mono-color. they would only ramp me for less than half my spells.

Gratuitous Violence Only double damage from creatures, so only my commander's triggered ability or combat. Not worth it to me.

Phaetion, Daedalus19876, good discussion. Thanks for sticking around.

I saw "Helm of the Host" but it seemed like it cost a lot. I'll reconsider later when it's spoiled.

dhannum very good point. I could go the easy way and say Repercussion, but I suppose it's now time to for me to really start thinking about winning. My vision for this deck is a versatile "accumulated value" deck. Like most of my decks the cards all have a high amount of synergy with eachother, allowing me to string together huge turns without too much difficulty. the strong Sunforger package is the definition of accumulated value. The deck also has a decent amount of card draw, ramp, tutors, and recursion, making it consistent and resilient. Painter's Servant's ability to make my red damage spells white will swing games for me. Beyond that, I even have two solid win-conditions. Neheb, the Eternal ramp + Comet storm, and now the Spiritualize infinite combo that can be fetched with sunforger. Hopefully that clears it up. More when I write my primer!

Haldarious thanks! I've seen the first one but not that second one! Not sure about those, because if I prevent my damage I don't get the lifelink. I'd rather make them indestructible.

Thank you all again! Update later tonight!

March 11, 2018 9:49 a.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #3

Have you considered Basilisk Collar to make that Lightning Bolt into a Murder?

March 11, 2018 10:49 a.m.

Suns_Champion says... #4

Daedalus19876 ooooo that's evil and I like it! And more lifegain mwahahaha!

March 11, 2018 2:36 p.m.

How about Gisela, Blade of Goldnight to be an alternative win condition and to make your spells even more devastating? Heartless Hidetsugu weakens your opponents and have a beautiful synergy with Neheb, the Eternal.Mind's Eye is also a great tool for card advantage and Boros really need it.

March 11, 2018 6:07 p.m.

ogarith says... #6

I suggest using Isochron Scepter. Imagine using a Lightning Helix every turn!

March 11, 2018 8:06 p.m.

elgosu1337 says... #7

Really nice deck especially with the Painter's Servant value. You could probably add more red/white instants and cut some of the payoff like Young Pyromancer and Monastery Mentor since they don't really advance the strategy. Thalia's Lancers don't have many targets in the current decklist. Anarchist also seems overpriced for the effect.

Puresteel Paladin should be fairly reliable for helping you equip the Sunforger for 0, and draws a few cards. You could add a few more equipment like Basilisk Collar to kill creatures easily and gain more life, Grafted Exoskeleton to kill players much faster (and also withers creatures), or even Sword of Kaldra to exile indestructible creatures. Darksteel Plate protects your commander from your own burn as well. Eight-and-a-Half-Tails is easy to use with Painter's Servant. Sunbond is interesting because it lets you potentially go the voltron route, but you might want to keep it a spellslinging deck.

Isochron Scepter is a very notable absentee, but perhaps you don't have enough instants to make the most of it.

You could also benefit from a few more spells that do damage to everything, such as Volcanic Fallout and Sulfurous Blast, which can also be cast with Sunforger, and gain you lots of life and really hurts your opponents with Repercussion. Aftershock doesn't net enough value. Vandalblast seems a lot stronger for 1 more mana.

The damage doubling of Insult / Injury could be really helpful before casting even more spells. Spells that copy spells like Howl of the Horde and Increasing Vengeance could be quite impactful.

Ultimately, it seems like the Spiritualize combo will be the main Sunforger target since it can win once your commander deals combat damage or you cast any red spell with Painter's Servant out, or Lightning Helix or Warleader's Helix without the Servant, or you Swords to Plowshares your own creature. Not sure if you'd want a few more white instants to combo with Spiritualize and your commander.

I hope the above helps. Look forward to seeing where you take this deck!

March 12, 2018 2:37 a.m.

Suns_Champion says... #8

manticoreknight Thanks for the comment! Gisela is already in the deck. thought about HH but didn't like him here, distracts from the main gameplan. Mind's Eye is good I'll consider it. Thanks again! Don't forget to upvote if you like the deck!

ogarith I am definitely still thinking about it. I don't have many targets but the repeated value is so tempting... thanks again! Please upvote!

elgosu1337 thanks for the detailed and extensive advice!

Been thinking about cutting Young Pyromancer and Monastery Mentor... I've already cut Blaze Commando so they seem next in line. I like them because, while they don't advance my specific gameplan, they still synergize with it and give me a ton of value. If I cut just one which would you cut?

Thalia's Lancers gets Neheb, the Eternal. I keep them because I feel Neheb is that important to the deck. And they can grab a finisher like Gisela or if Neheb is unavailible and I'm starving for draws Azor's Gateway  Flip. Might be cut after I get to playtest the deck but it'll stay for now.

I like Puresteel Paladin but not sure how heavy into equipment synergy I can go. Already finding room for Basilisk Collar, hope it works great. I want to avoid infect so no Grafted Exoskeleton. Sword of Kaldra seems to expensive and distracts from the theme. Darksteel Plate is already in the deck. Eight-and-a-Half-Tails was considered early on but is only good with painter's servant out and nixes the lifegain I get from my own creatures. Indestructible over protection. Sunbond was cut the other day. I really like it but had to make room. Might find it's way back in.

Isochron Scepter like I said above I'm low on targets and it seems hard to set up. Especially if i draw it late game. Tempting though.

I see your points here. Volcanic Fallout and Sulfurous Blast and Vandalblast will hit the maybeboard!

All the damage doublers are good but require me to have both the damage spell and the doubling spell in hand, and the mana to cast both. From my experience with Neheb and Brion Stoutarm I'm not a fan personally.

I'm glad you took the time and got a thorough understanding of the deck. Really appreciate it. Thanks again! Would love an upvote too!

@Everyone:

Note #1: I'm considering adding another combo. Strionic Resonator and Sands of Time. This gives me infinite mana/untaps during my upkeep, meaning if I have Comet Storm or Aurelia's Fury in hand I win the game. Or Sunforger and Mistveil Plains. trying to come up with uses if I don't have those things out/in hand though. let me know your thoughts. Boros combo! Can ya believe it?

Note #2: I've noticed a few more Firesong and Sunspeaker decks popping up. This is good! I now need a unique name to make mine stand out. Any suggestion are much appreciated.

Thanks all!

March 12, 2018 7:41 a.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #9

"A Game of Horns: A Song of Fire and Fire" kek

Jokes about names aside, I know you said you preferred indestructible to protection, but Sword of Fire and Ice could do a lot of work here...

March 12, 2018 10:16 a.m.

Agent_Fire says... #10

Painter's Servant is banned in commander

March 12, 2018 10:22 a.m.

Suns_Champion says... #11

Daedalus19876 haha someone already took the GoT name haha

Got a good name. Whew. It felt on-theme.

Sword of Fire and Ice is great, absolutely considered it. It's an all-star in my Neheb deck. I'll continue to consider it.

Agent_Fire I know.

March 12, 2018 6:15 p.m.

Yashiry says... #12

If i'm not mistaken you can use Samite Ministration to gain "infinite" life as long as you target your commander with it and target yourself with their damage ability. Sunforger can tutor it too!

March 13, 2018 6:01 p.m.

Suns_Champion says... #13

Yashiry thanks for the upvote and comment! I was looking at that one but wasn't sure if I liked just infinite life, but then I realized I have Treasonous Ogre and I could add Book of Rass in here for another sweet combo! I'll have to restructure some things but I like it! Thanks! This gives me more to do with Imperial Recruiter also, solidifying his inclusion.

So much work yet to be done! Keep the comments coming!

March 13, 2018 7 p.m.

Hidran says... #14

+1 for the name

March 14, 2018 2:57 p.m.

DrukenReaps says... #15

I got to thinking that I like this commander too so I threw this together Burning Life. I took a lot of ideas from Neheb which I'm not sure about since this doesn't have the mana to pump into those X spells as easily. I'm going to be toying with the idea for awhile and see if I feel like I can have a consistent chance at winning.

I have a foil painter's servant from forever ago that I could use here... That is a great idea.

March 14, 2018 4:05 p.m.

aceofrainbows says... #16

You should use Star of Extinction.

Wow. I can't believe I just said that.

P.S. Cool deck. +1

March 14, 2018 5:08 p.m.

IAmTheWraith says... #17

Just wanted to come by and say HUGE congratz on #1! The deck is definitely deserving of it. I second Star of Extinction, gaining 20X the number of creatures in play life seems pretty good.

March 14, 2018 9:51 p.m.