[Primer] Mina & Denn's Rampaging Roil | V-MKM

Commander / EDH Beebles

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M21 & Jump Start Contenders —July 1, 2020

Three cards from these sets have crossed my mind for this deck:

  • Radha, Heart of Keld: At first glance this card might look like a good fit here, but I like it way less than Courser of Kruphix. This is because courser has a defensive shell (stat line + lifegain) and Radha has an offensive shell (statline + offensive only first strike + a pump ability). I prefer the defensive shell for this deck when it comes to that engine ability, as I want that ability to stick around.
  • Fiery Emancipation: This is a card I will surely test. It is going to be amazing when it works, but it is also a do-nothing 6-mana enchantment/win-more card. I'm not sure yet if it will find a home here. Also, I am a bit scared of all the goodies we are going to get in the next Zendikar set that will have a higher claim for a similar spot :).
  • Allosaurus Shepherd: A prime candidate for inclusion should my meta shift to a more counter-oriented meta.

ThaneGarrus says... #1

HeyBeebles awesome deck and primer I thoroughly enjoyed reading it!

I was thinking if the goal of the deck is to be unassuming would Tendershoot Dryad be a better fit than Omnath, Locus of Rage or Rampaging Baloths (I know blasphemous right) which are traditionally kill on sight targets for any land deck opponent. In addition the lack of haste or sac outlet enablers it feels like omnath is a sitting duck.

Another question would be why isn’t Elvish Reclaimer in the main board, yes it takes a turn to get going but a Crop Rotation effect is invaluable to up the consistency of the deck (especially during draw go turns)

Is Myriad Landscape and Nissa's Pilgrimage too restrictive for the deck’s colours?

Is there an argument to add Castle Garenbrig green ramp since most of your creatures are green, Living Twister a commander deck should be able to function without its commander and this mirrors M&D’s bounce ability, Tempt with Discovery vs Traverse the Outlands any land into play seems huge, Kessig Wolf Run Gives the deck late game staying power when even Dryad Arbor can swing for lethal

I’ve got an edited version on your list on my profile if you’re interested in taking a look

Thanks for the awesome deck!

January 7, 2020 6:13 a.m.

Beebles says... #2

Hey ThaneGarrus.

Thanks for checking out the deck and for giving me some the tips! I gladly answer your questions:

  • Tendershoot Dryad has been on the maybeboard for a long time, and I agree it would fit the deck perfectly. I really tried to add it, but I couldn’t find a good spot for it in the end :/. I kind of stopped trying after Field of the Dead satisfied my desire to add another token maker :).
  • It is true that the deck wants to keep a low profile. However, that’s only until we are ready for a big explosive play! Omnath and baloth both provide that ability for explosiveness that I want with this deck. On average you should be able to get 2 lands out the turn you bring them out, which is already decent value if someone should indeed take it out. But their ceiling is pretty high combined with something like Scapeshift or Traverse the Outlands. So those 2 landfall creatures are not going anywhere :).
  • I wrote about why I did not include Elvish Reclaimer in my M20 update. Short answer: it takes 3 turns before you can use the land you want, and that is too slow for what I want with this deck. I don’t think it compares that well with crop rotation, which gives you any land right now, untapped.
  • Nissa's Pilgrimage is a bit too taxing for this deck as I only run 9 basics, and I don’t like that it doesn’t fix. In a similar vein, I valued Blighted Woodland over Myriad Landscape in this build, and there are no lands I want to cut for it atm.
  • Castle Garenbrig is useful, but not necessary in this build. And unlike most other decks, every landslot here is super contested, so “useful” isn’t good enough to make the cut unfortunately :). Also, I don’t run that many creatures here.
  • I don’t think Living Twister is all that good tbh. I agree that a commander deck should also function well without the commander, but that doesn’t mean it should always be able to do what the commander does. This deck has many paths to victory that do not require Mina and Denn.
  • I got asked about Tempt with Discovery before. It is a fun card, but I personally don’t like that it is not reliable. Sometimes you might get lucky and get 4 lands, but most of the time I would get only one, ór my opponents do what they shóuld do and search for a strip mine and destroy the one land I actually wanted to get. The point is that there is no way to tell what you will get and I prefer reliability in my tutors.
  • I used to run Kessig Wolf Run for a long time, but I removed it to test other lands. I assure you, the deck has plenty of staying power late game ;), but I agree it is a strong card to have access to. Maybe it will find it’s way back someday.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts! I’ve been thinking to add a section to the primer to talk about cards that I did not include. Maybe I will start that soon :). I will also have a look at your modified deck list at a later time.

January 7, 2020 1:13 p.m.

This was a journey to read. XD

But far more detailed than I could even imagine. I run Lord Windgrace as my commander for a theme like this and it turned into an aristolands (aristocrats but with lands) build due to Korvold. I run counters in the deck due to blue being the primary color of the meta I'm in but it's otherwise all about lands as well.

Cool primer!

March 15, 2020 3:46 a.m.

Beebles says... #4

Hey JohnMichaelBushman, thanks for your kind comment. I must have missed the notification for it at the time :).

I like the idea of aristocrats but with lands. I run a little bit of that in my mazirek deck. Will have a look at your list soon :).

May 3, 2020 4:42 a.m.

Gontilordofmtg says... #5

Why aren't you running Courser of Kruphix

June 25, 2020 2:06 p.m.

Beebles says... #6

That, cjdjsobd, is a very interesting question, because I am running courser of kruphix :).

June 25, 2020 3:33 p.m.

theninja97 says... #7

Have you considered the new Radha from M21, Radha, Heart of Keld in place of Courser of Kruphix? Both allow lands to be played from the library. The former doesn't force the top card to be revealed (in case it's not a land), but the latter provides lifegain (which does appear to be a subtheme in the deck alongside Radiant Fountain, Scavenging Ooze, Retreat to Kazandu, and Primeval Bounty). The new Radha also synergizes self-pumps and gains trample with Mina and Denn, Wildborn

June 25, 2020 4:08 p.m.

Beebles says... #8

Hey, theninja97. I did not seriously consider Radha, Heart of Keld, because I don't really like the card tbh. I agree Courser of Kruphix is the spot it is competing for, so let's compare.

The main reason to play either of these cards in this deck is that they allow you to play lands from the top of your library. Courser packs that ability in a defensive shell (great blocker stats and lifegain landfall) while Radha is more aggressive (more offensive stats, first strike during our turn and an overcosted Rubblehulk buff). I much rather have the defensive shell at 3 mana in this list because I'm not planning to attack with my engine pieces anyway. In the early game, I just want to set up my engines and defenses so I can build towards a moment where I can become aggressive out of nowhere. Radha puts that engine-ability on an aggressive card, which doesn't make sense to me in this list.

June 25, 2020 4:48 p.m.