Marquis De Chainer, Sadism 101
Commander / EDH
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replacements —Dec. 20, 2019
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Bloodchief Ascension <> Anvil of Bogardan Bloodchief takes too long to come online or gets destroyed before it gains value
Geth, Lord of the Vault <> Vilis, Broker of Blood too much mana investment, which I'd rather use to develop board or for chainer activations
Junk Diver <> Snow-Covered Swamp Land back in
Mirage Mirror <> Reanimate Same idea as geth, mirage mirror can sometimes do cute plays but most of the time it's a win more card
Crypt of Agadeem <> Wurmcoil Engine Crypt seems great but it’s just bait. Wurmcoil in as backup for Sengir Autocrat and for lifelink in a pinch.
Geier Reach Sanitarium <> Noxious Gearhulk Geier reach wasn’t impactful enough. Noxious in for more removal and life gain
Arguel's Blood Fast Flip <> Snow-Covered Swamp slow draw, which rarely flipped but useful effect. Land Back in
Altar of the Brood <> Yawgmoth, Thran Physician Neat card but belongs in a token deck more.
Dimir House Guard <> Imperial Seal Dimir acted as an tutor for 4 cmc or sac outlet in a pinch, replaced for a more straightforward tutor
Zulaport Cutthroat <> Ayara, First of Locthwain Upgraded Cutthroat, has one per turn sac+draw in a pinch, 3 devotion for Gary.
Soldevi Adnate <> Night's Whisper contested slot, originally took out adnate as I was lower on the creature side, now the ramp may be needed again as I’m up to 28~ creatures again
Jet Medallion <> Gilded Lotus jet medallion at most reduces 1-3 mana per turn and doesn’t help any ability activations. Not really a storm deck so can't abuse it to it's fullest. Gilded lotus fills a similar niche and generates 3b which is great.
The Abyss <> Walking Ballista Abyss is great. Originally had Triskelion in this slot but I think Walking Ballista has better utility as a standalone card in my deck due to the mana doublers. If I can get infinite mana I only need Ballista to win.
Cavern of Souls <> Bolas's Citadel cavern wasn’t impactful enough to warrant a slot and was sometimes detrimental, testing bolas citadel
No Mercy <> Mikaeus, the Unhallowed no mercy either stopped people until they found their removal or they just attacked into it once they hit infinite. Meta dependent but mikaeus back for now
Mindcrank <> Nim Deathmantle mindcrank is a great card but unfortunately it doesn’t advance our game plan as a stand-alone card. Nims has all around better utility.
Sangromancer <> Sign in Blood sangromancer provided some nice life gain in a pinch but may be redundant with the other forms of life gain now.
Erebos, God of the Dead <> Viscera Seer Removing Erebos for now as the draw effect was fairly slow. Viscera seer for another cheap sac outlet on a stick and scry effect has its uses
Charcoal Diamond <> Arcane Signet upgraded version of charcoal diamond. But a downgrade in the regard that there are no foils
Waste Not <> K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth waste not doesn’t offer any immediate impact and potentially could be useless, great when works with other cards such as oppression. Testing Krrik for now.
Imp's Mischief <> Gravecrawler imps mischief is too conditional. Cute when it works
Sudden Spoiling <> Carrion Feeder sudden spoiling is too conditional and fairly mana heavy. The effect is great and could be game changing. Testing cut temporarily. Maybe worth trying Darkness
testing Oppression <> Aetherflux Reservoir Aetherflux combo's with Bolas's Citadel+Sensei's Divining Top. Can also storm out with Gravecrawler
Hey OscarGoldman! First of all, apologies on the lack of replies, I've been out of the MTG environment for sometime, but was able to return recently. I think Sidisi as commander would be a much better fit for the nooze combo and would be an overall faster deck for your meta. However, I've played some games and do confirm I need to change some cards again.
Some of the outstanding cuts that I'm seeing at this point are:
Bloodchief Ascension <> Font of Agonies (Bloodchief takes too long to come online or gets destroyed before it gains value)
Geth, Lord of the Vault <> Vilis, Broker of Blood (too much mana investment, which I'd rather use to develop board or for chainer activations)
Mirage Mirror <> Reanimate (Same idea as geth, mirage mirror can sometimes do cute plays but most of the time it's a win more card)
Jet Medallion <> Gilded Lotus (at most Jet will reduce 1-4 mana per turn, which is equivalent to how much gilded lotus generates, and jet doesn't impact chainer activations).
Charcoal Diamond <> Not sure on this cut may keep as is as additional rocks don't hurt.
Maybe even adding Nooze to here. With Nooze, are we going the full package? ie: mikaeus+trike+phyrexian devo+ballista? Or just walking ballista+phyrexian?
OscarGoldman says... #1
Hello Savaaage
As I mentioned previously, I’ve been working with this commander now for some time. I like a lot of what you have done here, and I’m attempting to syncretize some of your list with my own.
I’m facing a very difficult meta. It is as follows
Circu, Dimir Lobotomist
Niv Mizzet the Firemind
The Gitrog Monster
Nekussar (this guy only shows up on occasion)
Breakfast Hulk
These are the regulars in my pod. Hulk basically forces everyone to play faster, and so I’ve been toying with switching to Razaketh but I don’t want to give up on Chainer just yet.
I think ooze combo belongs in the deck. I think it makes it that much more resilient. Mill it to the yard and yank out ooze— you’re golden. Any less than four opponents will have to scoop. It also doesn’t lose to null rod. It also gives you walking ballista, which is another way to win with infinite mana.
With ooze, a turn 2-3 win is possible, especially with reanimate.
The guys I’m playing with are a bunch of hosers. To be fair, so am I. It’s highly competitive. They’re going to bring leyline, null rod, cursed totem— anything that will eff me up, they’ll bring it. I have to play around this stuff.
I think the deck needs a thoughtseize more than it needs a waste not. Waste not is highly conditional, but thoughtseize can not only pester some of the better decks like hulk but it gives you critical information on your most threatening opponent.
I think ad nauseam is viable. I don’t really like Erebos and arguel. I think another tutor plus ad nauseum would be more desirable, especially if ooze combo is added.
It seems like crucible isn’t great in multiplayer. I could be wrong, but it seems a little slow. So does solemn simulacrum. Why not a few more cheap rocks instead? Maybe culling the weak/ cabal ritual if you are worried about artifact liability and or null rod? I almost like guardian beast over solemn, even though I criticized him before. He does stop the smash approach to artifacts, just not the rod. Solemn nets another land, but how often is that just the sweet spot? I feel like a lot of the time he is meh. Could be wrong.
Geth is also kind of a pipe dream in my meta. I don’t get a late game usually unless several people whiff their own combos. I also find that graveyards are crazy hated in our format.
Here’s my thought:
Grave hate? Hope for rings combo.
Null rod? Get the ooze.
Stars align? Go for autocrat win. I find the blood artist win effing hard to pull off, but I’ve been using gravecrawler. Autocrat is better, and doesn’t have zombie conditional. Although it does require chainer.
I think one artifact reviver card is enough. The myr seems best. Need a piece? Tutor the myr and sac him or skull clamp etc. free up those other slots for cards that can speed up the deck or neuter the other guy.
So with all that rambling in mind, what do you think? How do we keep this deck competitive in a meta with hulk, frog, and circu breathing down your neck?
I have more thoughts, but this seems like enough for now.
December 29, 2018 1:04 p.m.