Karlove One Another

Commander / EDH Endrobot

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hungry000 says... #1

You could maybe play some Morbid cards like Skirsdag High Priest , but that's all I can really say. Most of the card choices here look solid to me. I'll list a few cards that you don't have in the maybeboard: Ajani's Last Stand , Ashes of the Abhorrent , Demon of Dark Schemes , Kaya's Guile , Dictate of Erebos , Dross Harvester , Massacre Girl , Ogre Slumlord .

Of those, I think Skirsdag High Priest , Dross Harvester , and Ogre Slumlord are the best/most fun.

August 7, 2019 5:10 p.m.

Endrobot says... #2

hungry000, do have any advice where I could make room for some of these cards? Do you see any wasted slots?

August 9, 2019 12:05 p.m.

hungry000 says... #3

Hmm... the only clear cuts I would make are

Cordial Vampire --> Skirsdag High Priest

Sheoldred, Whispering One --> Demon of Dark Schemes

Orzhov Charm --> Dictate of Erebos

Black Sun's Zenith --> Massacre Girl

Dross Harvester might be better than Deathgreeter , as well. Sacrificing 3 creatures with Teysa out gains you 6 life with Deathgreeter and 12-4=8 life with Harvester. Though since their cmcs are different and I don't really have a grasp of how fast EDH is it's hard for me to say without testing.

August 9, 2019 1:10 p.m.

Endrobot says... #5

Why demon of dark schemes over sheoldred? For one more, sheoldred resurrects each turn as well as making opponents get rid of their creatures thus setting off Blood Artist or other cards that trigger off of opponents creatures dying.

August 9, 2019 5:32 p.m.

hungry000 says... #6

While it may not be as good as Sheoldred in a vacuum, Demon of Dark Schemes is a board wipe for smaller creatures and has more synergies with death triggers. For example, if you have a Grave Pact , Teysa, and three creature tokens on the battlefield and play Demon of Dark Schemes, you'll kill all your opponents' smaller creatures while making them sac 6 of their bigger ones each. And that's just with 3 tokens! It also has the upside of being able to reanimate your opponents' creatures as well as your own for 3 mana each at instant speed, multiple times a turn; with Teysa, Demon of Dark Schemes gets 2 energy counters per death trigger, so it's pretty easy to refuel on those as well.

Of course, I don't know how much individual card power matters in EDH, but I figured synergies like those were too good to pass up and I couldn't think of any other cards that you could replace with Demon of Dark Schemes . Maybe cut Smothering Tithe ? It doesn't really do much besides ramp without a Revel in Riches out, and more removal is generally more useful, no?

August 9, 2019 6:07 p.m.

Endrobot says... #7

Smart. I think I’ll get rid of pitiless plunderer, but if I ever need more slots, I’ll look at tithe. I now see your point about dark schemes!

August 9, 2019 11:04 p.m.

Endrobot says... #8

Hey, hungry000, I’m looking to bring down the average cmc and/or speed the deck up as in playtesting it’s average win rate is turn 11, and that’s with no opponent interference.

August 12, 2019 1:04 a.m.

Endrobot says... #9

any suggestions?

August 12, 2019 1:04 a.m.

hungry000 says... #10

-1 Sheoldred, Whispering One , +1 Midnight Reaper (lets you have longer combo turns)

-1 Razaketh, the Foulblooded , +1 Requiem Angel (also extends your combo turns)

Teysa is a value-making commander; thus, cards that'll help you survive in the early/mid game are useful since value generally translates into a win later.

-1 Reveillark , +1 Sadistic Hypnotist

-1 Cathars' Crusade , +1 Martyr's Cause

-1 Authority of the Consuls , +1 Spawning Pit (it has infinite mana and death/etb trigger combos with Pitiless Plunderer and Anointed Procession or Requiem Angel . Also just a really good value engine in this deck)

-1 Crypt Ghast , +1 Victimize

August 13, 2019 6:19 p.m.

Endrobot says... #11

hungry000, I’m trying to decide between more Ramp in order to get things moving, or more disruption so I don’t care as much if I’m slow. Any suggestions?? Sorry for asking for so much help, i know you don’t really play commander.

August 16, 2019 10:07 a.m.

hungry000 says... #12

It's alright! I would definitely play more disruption. The longer games go with this deck, the better; while there are some good high cmc creatures with death triggers, ramping into those will make less value in the long run than playing smaller creatures (quantity over quality in this case).

Looking online, most Teysa decks play less lands with a lower overall cmc, have sweepers, and only have Requiem Angel and Yosei as the top of their curve. That speaks for itself, right?

If you feel that you need a payoff for Ashnod's Altar and the other mana sac artifact, Rally the Ancestors is a pretty good one. Lots of combo kill situations with it.

August 16, 2019 11:59 a.m.

KibaAlpha says... #13

I suggest,

Burnished Hart and Knight of the White Orchid for extra lands.

Malevolent Awakening for creature recursion.

Archon of Justice for recurable removal.

Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder for tokens on creature cast.

Bontu's Monument mana reduction and death trigger on creature cast.

Bontu the Glorified a sac outlet and death trigger in one.

Greed for card draw.

Erebos, God of the Dead for card draw and opponent lifegain prevention.

Tainted Remedy a more powerful turn opponent lifegain against themself.

Hall of Heliod's Generosity bring back those enchantments.

Crypt Ghast , Bubbling Muck and Dark Ritual for early-mid mana ramp.

Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , Cabal Coffers and Expedition Map get out the most powerful way to ramp in black.

Butcher of Malakir creature removal. Don't let the high cmc turn you away from him. Black can ramp easily enough to get him out.

Smothering Tithe best new white card that can ramp any colour.

Vampiric Tutor , Demonic Tutor , Diabolic Intent and Enlightened Tutor to get your combo pieces on the field ASAP.

August 23, 2019 11:53 p.m.

Endrobot says... #14

hey KibaAlpha! thanks for all of the suggestions. first off, i want to talk about the suggestions you put forward that I am considering, such as Archon of justice. the cards a good blocker, a swinger in a pinch, and removal all in one. next, Burnished and Knight of the White Orchid. both great picks that I will consider. Bontu's Moment. good ramp and drains just like blood artist. Greed. the life I'm paying won't matter over the life gain. Erebos, same reason. butcher of malakir, blocker, swinger, removal, just like Archon.

next, I want to discuss a few of the reasons I don't want to run some ion those cards. Cabal Coffers+Urborg is a great combo, but this deck also needs white mana. plus, they cost a fortune. Malevolent awakening, just a worse phyrexian Reclamation.

thank you for all the suggestions. I'm a big fan of your deck, Teysa's Double D's. Im pretty happy with where the deck is right now as id not want to maximize it or anything, I just want to have fun. but the ramp and card draw suggestions were very much appreciated. would you care to drop a +1? id appreciate it already did the same for you.

August 24, 2019 1:52 p.m.

Endrobot says... #15

KibaAlpha, could you give me some in put on what cards to trim here?

September 8, 2019 4:08 p.m.

KibaAlpha says... #16

I can do that. I’ll look over it and post some suggested cuts with reason why.

September 9, 2019 10:26 a.m.

Endrobot says... #17

Thanks a ton!

September 9, 2019 9:51 p.m.

KibaAlpha says... #18

How attached are you to creature combat vs aristocrats? What would be the preferred play style? I imagine your creature combat would be mostly tokens?

September 12, 2019 10:55 p.m.

Endrobot says... #19

I’m not that focused on combat, more about cool interaction, but I also don’t want my opponent to be sitting for 5 minutes in silence as I combo off, if you know what I mean? Also the phrase “I swing with 68 white vigilant vampire life-linkers at your face” is what Timmy players are all about.

September 13, 2019 12:28 a.m.

Endrobot says... #20

KibaAlpha I guess all in all, I’m fine with dropping combat in favor of aristocrats.

September 13, 2019 12:30 a.m.

KibaAlpha says... #21

Lets look at what we should be adding,

Bontu the Glorified , Bontu's Monument , Malevolent Awakening

I'd remove Revel in Riches . You really do want to be able to play that at flash speed to get your value from it.

Phyrexian Arena There is better card draw you can get.

Ghostly Prison With death triggers there are ways to remove your opponents creatures rather then worry about making them pay 2 mana per to attack.

Anointed Procession you can do without. Creatures that die and create tokens will create double the tokens from Teysa Karlov so she herself is like Anointed Procession .

I'd lose the four "Sorcery" cards you have. If anything I'd replace Black Sun's Zenith with Toxic Deluge .

Sword of the Animist . Only good if you are attacking a lot.

Skullclamp That one can go either way. I opted to remove it from my build. I found better options.

Blade of the Bloodchief

Thrilling Encore If done right you won't need your opponents creatures.

Doomblade and Fatal Push Focus on using Dictate of Erebos , Grave Pact

September 13, 2019 11:59 p.m.

WUBRG87 says... #22

hey, Endrobot! you asked me to come up with some cuts for the deck in return for upvotes, so here I am! hmm tough decisions here.. theyre all very synergistic, but I'll do what i can to the best of my ability. Reassembling Skeleton works well because you can sac,bring back and repeat as long as you have the mana but he doesn't have a death trigger. Hunted Witness , Doomed Dissenter , Doomed Traveler , Imperious Oligarch & Orzhov Enforcer are great low cmc creatures that synergize really well with teysa, but maybe theyre just not inpactful enough for EDH? i dont know you dont want to cut too many low cards. Plus, they all make tokens when they die and with teysa out, they make double tokens, with lifelink and vigilance so maybe just a few of those? maybe Batwing Brume? its a cool effect and i see the synergy but i would put in a Path to Exile instead? Smothering Abomination works well too, and card-draw is essential. but his ability doesn't double trigger with teysa. plus, it seems like you have plenty of draw. Pitiless Plunderer is good..good ramp..but if youre gonna run him id throw in a Revel in Riches as an alternate win-con. but what Kiba said: it is better at flash speed. a Vedalken Orrery would be great if it wasnt $30. i only own one now im considering putting it in my teysa build instead of my new chainer deck. hmm more cuts more cuts... if youre gonna keep your deck low to the ground and not take out all of those two drops like i said (which cutting low cmc cards may be a bad idea, i'll admit) then you could afford to cut a couple lands? you have ramp with Solemn, the hart, all the rocks and the plunderer. it shouldnt be too bad cutting at least one or two lands. especially with the new mull rule. Sorry. I'm all over the place with my suggestions. I certainly hope I was atleast some help. Please let me know what you end up doing! im curious now. and i like what you got here, btw. +1 from me!

September 18, 2019 12:37 a.m.

Endrobot says... #23

Thank you so much WUBRG87! Your suggestions actually help a lot. I think I’m gonna have to keep my low CMC token generators, but your suggested cut of a land was awesome! Your right, with the new mulligan rules I don’t think it will matter as much. I might drop smothering for a couple of reasons, 1) same CMC as my CMDR, and 2) I can’t choose when to sac. But, he is a Sac outlet with card draw built in, as well as the fact that he draws me cards even while I’m saccing my tokens, which most of my card draw doesn’t. I see your point about Pitiless Plunderer, but he’s essential during my big combo turns. If I have him and some creature and some card draw, I can Sac, draw cards, get mana, play the cards I just drew with the mana! He can get wild. Also, reassemblin skelly goes infinite with Plunderer, so the synergy is there. Again, thank you so much. I am now going to upvote all of your decks! :)

September 18, 2019 7:39 p.m.

WUBRG87 says... #24

Endrobot, oh my god Reassembling Skeleton + Pitiless Plunderer is a combo with Teysa out! That with a Zulaport Cutthroat or a Blood Artist thats a win! omg im putting them back in mine! hey, would you mind upvoting at least a couple of my decks? i tried upvoting this last night and for whatever reason it wouldn't show up. i dont know why it wouldnt go from 3 upvotes to 4.

September 18, 2019 11:08 p.m.

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