Kaalia Dab's to Win! | cEDH Primer

Commander / EDH* Flash_Andretti

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We made the CEDH Database! C19/Eldraine Updates! —Sept. 30, 2019

Before we begin, we are now on the cEDH Database! WE DID IT GUYS!

With Pre-Release week behind us, here is everything that has changed with the deck overall.

In:

Dragon Tempest - this card gives us haste. Has been in and out of the deck many times, but considering I only had Bogardagan Hellkite in just for WGD and this also works with him, so for 6 cmc less, hell yes this stays in!

Thrill of Possibility - This is Tormenting Voice at Instant Speed, enough said.

Children of Korlis - We use life as a resource heavily and this will help us continue that. Works exceptionally well on turns Razaketh is on board.

Blood Celebrant - In honor of vilis being potentially our best line and combo'ing with Korlis as well, this fits nicely.

Dockside Extortionist - This card simply gives you free advantage, loads of mana hands down. Anything with Red needs it in the deck.

Sevinne's Reclamation - Another pretty good reanimation spell and one that can help win you the game at that.

Kozilek - We are on full gy combo now, no need to hold back. This draws us cards at worst, if all else fails (we ramp hard). At best this protects our gy from hate with its shuffle effects.

Graven Cairns - Rakdos is our best color and this helps filter even more!

Homeward Path - Fuck gilded drake man lol. (Maybeboard)

Wooded Foothills/Flooded Strand/Prismatic Vista - More ways to get our lands & Draw with Vilis.

Sensei's Divining Top - This card doesn't hurt and draw is a strong mechanic.

Diabolic Intent - Increasing our tutor density is always a good thing.

OUT:

All of these cards were taken out due to me adding the other 11. Essentially quality of Life changes.

Grand Abolisher, Tormenting Voice, Chalice of the Void, Sneak Attack, Bogardagan Hellkite, Blood Moon, Chandra Acolyte of Flame, Sacred Foundry, Sundbaked Canyon, Plains, Simian Spirit Guide.

Cool, a Kaalia deck that isn't about winning on turn 4 due to sheer power. Instead, you go infinite! XD

I mean, yes, you'll still lose friends but not as quickly as putting Iona on the field by turn 4--oh wait she's banned now. Hashtag RIP.

July 19, 2019 4:34 a.m.

Flash_Andretti says... #2

JohnMichaelBushman it can very much so still win by T3/T4 with the correct hand. But generally Razaketh was always our first option, iona 2nd. We got Vilis now so it was easy to replace. I still don't make friends with this build as you say lol.

July 26, 2019 3:17 p.m.

loricatuslupus says... #3

This is a really interesting route too see Kaalia taken in (I tried the ADD route in cEDH and it went...poorly...), so unusual to see so few creatures and such a low average CMC. What's Chandra in there for out of interest?

August 14, 2019 4:30 p.m.

Flash_Andretti says... #4

loricatuslupus thank you for the compliments man, trust me when I say it was very hard to get it this low! I made cuts on the creatures that did nothing for me the turn they came out, cards that were very dead and added in things that helped me combo better. This deck can brutal but you gotta be mindful of the meta you are bringing this too. Chandra is actually very interesting. On turns Razaketh isn't on board or you have no true lines to get into, you use her first ability to give her loyalty. With Razaketh on board you can make tokens using the 2nd ability for sac fodder and the 3rd (-2) ability you can extend your combos even further and potentially win a game.

August 15, 2019 1:45 a.m.

Winther says... #5

Fantastic deck. Really liking how you've put it together :-)

+1 from here for sure

September 23, 2019 5:48 a.m.

Flash_Andretti says... #6

Winther appreciate the love bro. Working hard to keep this deck as good as possible.

September 23, 2019 7:19 p.m.

realsoupersand says... #7

You're making this more complicated than it needs to be. I apologize in advance if this sounds harsh, but as a former Kaalia player, I feel like I have to say something.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/i-bid-you-welcome-to-the-pyre/?cb=1569459531

I don't look at this deck much anymore because I don't see the point in continuing to play it, so it's currently sitting at 110 cards. Still, I'm going to have to say that it is leaner and more focused than yours. Regardless, it's all moot. Kaalia has too many glaring flaws to be considered part of cEDH. I tried for a long time, but she just doesn't have what it takes. She misses out on several of the important key factors that make cEDH decks work. Face it - Kaalia is not a cEDH Commander. She simply isn't. I'm sorry. I hate saying that. Kaalia has held a special place in my heart ever since I first saw her. I wish she was better. She just isn't. There are many reasons I moved on to Paradox Sisay and then Thrasios & Tymna.

Here's why she's not fit to be played in cEDH: firstly, her ramp is subpar at best since you have to rely on rocks, though this is an issue that can be worked around for many decks. Yes, she can function on little mana, but so can all the other cEDH decks. Secondly, she's incredibly frail. Thirdly, she has to connect with an opponent to cheat out creatures, which is never a reliable plan. Besides, combat is terrible. Fourth, she has no inherent value engine. Putting a creature into play is not value. She doesn't generate any advantage or push your game forward, which is a death sentence in cEDH. Finally, she doesn't have access to blue, so she is stuck with interaction that is less than optimal. Her only counterspells are Red Elemental Blast and Pyroblast. Both are necessary, but that only fills up 2 slots. My Thrasios & Tymna deck runs 13 counterspells. Sure, Kaalia can throw Stax on the board instead, but in my opinion, holding mana up for a counterspell is just better.

I'd recommend cutting out a lot of the creatures that are just in there for combos and trimming the fat down. Focus on a single combo and explosive bombs that can help back you up. I'm surprised to see that you aren't running Master of Cruelties and Rakdos the Defiler, as these are bombs that can really catch people off guard and knock a player out of the game. There are also some other card choices that I find odd. There are too many to list, but the first things that stood out to me aside from creatures were Imp's Mischief (if you really want a protection effect, use Apostle's Blessing), Ricochet Trap (same reason), and Chandra (...why?). This list is definitely not complete.

For my combo, I focused on a slimmer Worldgorger package. It's pretty simple - you just need Sunscorched Desert or Dragon Tempest (which is a solid haste source on its own), any reanimation enchantment, and Worldgorger Dragon in the grave to go infinite. You don't need bad cards like Bogardan Hellkite to make it work. With Entomb and Necromancy, you can do the combo at instant speed. You don't need things like Cut // Ribbons, either, since the combo is contained within the three cards. It just makes this so much smoother and gives you room for more tutors, including Demonic Consultation to find that last piece.

I really have to ask... why in the world is Swords to Plowshares only in the maybeboard? I'm glad you're not running Path to Exile, but come on...

And the last thing I have to say is that I'm shocked you care about losing Iona. She was never any good. Shutting off a single color is mediocre at best. She was out of my deck way before the ban was announced. She's impossible to cast, for one, and tuned decks will have answers in other colors. She won't stay on the board long enough to matter and she won't make an impact. She shouldn't have been in the deck in the first place.

September 25, 2019 9:19 p.m.

Flash_Andretti says... #8

realsoupersand well to begin, I am glad you are passionate about this deck but, the one thing I do disagree with you is this, I know she isn't Max Power or Tier 1, she is definitely fringe for sure and does work in very specific situations. I wish you were on our Kaalia discord because a lot of the things you have pointed out have long been discussed my friend.

We got off of the lands a while back like Sun-scorched and Piranha Marsh because we are color intensive. Bogardagan has been on the fence for a long time. The other thing I take from your list is that you are a stax deck, this is full on combo. I go for winning as fast as possible so I keep very aggressive hands to win the game and have. I play on playEDH, cEDH and Nexus server almost everyday against many proven players. I earned their respect through THIS deck.

I know for a fact you know what it means to wear your heart as a sleeve. Kaalia isn't my main deck anymore, as you can probably tell from my Elsha list, but always gets love from me. I am a Frog, Meren, Kess and BloodPod player as well. I don't know if you have noticed, but me and Bad_Dog did everything we could and finally got her onto the cedh database through our play alone, here is a link for you:

https://cedh-decklist-database.xyz/fringe.html

Now as for Tempest that is one of our biggest discussions because we are wondering how many haste enablers are too many. I am aware it synergies with WGD, but we are on a Razakats package as well, so Leonin Relic does play a huge part in this decks package. Chandra for the fact she can make raz fodder and you can use things like your tutors twice, she is definitely gas and their other cedh list on her for sure, does that mean its fit for our girl? that remains to be seen, everything is in testing and you have to remember, every deck IS NEVER COMPLETE!

Cruelties and Defiler are definitely no slouches, legends of Kaalia if you will, but the reason behind them not being in the list was because whenever at a table, i knew for sure if one player died, i would lose the game entirely after that. I have nothing against them, definitely would use Rakdos over her and as you can see, my list isn't the only one, many other list with sub 3 cmc trying their best to take a crack at her.

One last thing, I noticed you are on mass MLD. When i used to have it, it never did a thing at cEDH tables and also, you do realize i made this deck 100% graveyard reliable right?

September 26, 2019 10:21 a.m.

Flash_Andretti says... #9

I am inclined to agree with you though on other things said from you and you just helped me figure out cuts I was trying to do for a long time, so thank you for that! I would rather all Kaalia players stick together. no matter Power Level...

September 26, 2019 10:29 a.m.

I apologize if I came across as harsh at all. Kaalia was my baby for a long time and I hated dismantling her, but it was time.

I went the Stax route with mine to make the deck more lean. Instead of running a lot of combo pieces, I built mine to sit back, try to slow the board down, and only cast Kaalia when it was time to do so. I mainly played her against mono-U and Ux decks, so having her stick was difficult at best.

September 27, 2019 7:19 p.m.

realsoupersand I understand and no worries. It's funny you say that because I play her in the exact same way, just with very aggressive hands and try to go off ASAP in a frog kind of way. She plays great into 3+ color decks and is deceptively fast. You just have to know her clock order if that makes sense. I tried the stax way, but I love combo decks. I'm currently on Elsha and Frog. Kess & Meren are my other decks. Might pick up Yisan and Sliver next.

September 27, 2019 10:12 p.m.

Nianque1 says... #12

Faithless Looting is banned.

September 28, 2019 11:24 p.m.

Nianque1 it is banned in the Modern format. This is the commander format.

September 29, 2019 9:08 a.m.