TypicalTimmy thanks! I missed that Lili, going to make room for her now. I'm trying a build that's fairly low to the ground aside from an infinite mana combo in Magus of the Coffers + Umbral Mantle, trying to win with the discard damage and just 1-2 activations of Tinybones. So hopefully I won't need Doubling Cube. But I can always steal it from my Kozilek deck if I need it :)

Also going to fit in Command the Dreadhorde...

TypicalTimmy you probably don't want to hear how much I hate that card, but BOY I HATE THAT CARD! I can fully admit it'd be great in this deck and also I shall not run it.

I'd cut Charcoal Diamond and Coldsteel Heart for Arcane Signet and Fellwar Stone having your rocks enter untapped is really helpful.

Chandra585 good call. I kept the Diamond and swapped out the Worn Powerstone, since I'm not ramping to 6 with any urgency but do need to make it to 3 and 4.

"a very tiny bone"... I'm confused, shouldn't this be a white weenies deck?

that's honestly better than my suggestion. A lower curve never hurt anyone.

abby315/TypicalTimmy

You mentioned a handful of adds in the comments above. Which cards you remove?

? ->Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx

? ->Cabal Coffers

? ->Liliana of the Dark Realms

? ->Doubling Cube

? ->Sword of Feast and Famine

Any other cards you'd consider? I'd like to build Tinybones w/ a 1k budget! Any other suggestions for me?

Rasaru Join ussss!

You can just take out two Swamps for the Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx and Cabal Coffers, or if you're really worried about having enough basic Swamps and you're not concerned about your opponents' graveyards, you can swap out the Bojuka Bog. But 36 lands (incl. Geier Reach Sanitarium) seems about right for what I'm running.

I'm torn on Liliana of the Dark Realms - I had her in, but took her out because she doesn't discard. In general I'd be looking to make a cut in the Utility category for her. You could probably cut Gray Merchant of Asphodel, since it's similarly expensive. It's just in there now for a bit of reach and lifegain to offset all the draw triggers, and because I already had him.

I'm not running Doubling Cube either, but you could take out Umbral Mantle - which I have in because it goes infinite with Magus of the Coffers, but Doubling Cube could be a more consistent way to get a lot of mana without running a do-nothing card in Umbral. Magus is still worth running on its own without Umbral, IMO.

Sword of Feast and Famine can go in for any of the "My Turn Discard" slots, since that's what it is. The weakest ones are probably Hypnotic Specter and Okiba-Gang Shinobi, but since you need creatures to wear the Sword, you might want to cut something like Raven's Crime instead.

Hope that helps! It's been a blast to playtest so far!

Rasaru I was just reminded - if you have the $$, you should also definitely be running Jet Medallion. Just swap it right in for Charcoal Diamond.

Looks great. You might like these: Painful Quandary, Archfiend of Ifnir, Bag of Holding, Nezumi Shortfang  ^Flip, Liliana's Triumph, Rankle, Master of Pranks, Animate Dead, Dance of the Dead, Alhammarret's Archive, Psychosis Crawler, Syr Konrad, the Grim, Bubbling Muck, Memory Jar, Library of Leng, Skirge Familiar, Bottled Cloister (so you don't discard anything to your own "upkeep = discard" effects. and it's pretty cheap for an extra draw each turn)

Looks fun - gotta love spreading the pain!

king-saproling - Thanks for the suggestions! I hadn't considered how Bottled Cloister would interact, but I do like that idea. I've popped that and a few others in my maybeboard to keep in mind. Most of the rest I considered for the initial build but decided were too slow or specific.

@ PJ3T3R

Mass-Discard decks are by far and away my least favorite deck to see across the table in a game of EDH, and you've managed to make a list that looks equal parts salt-inducing, budget-friendly, and family-fun.

+1 from me, you monster.

All jokes aside, what follows are some suggestions I would like to bring up; I hope you find at least some of them useful. This will be long and wordy, so I apologize in advance!

Liliana, Heretical Healer  ^Flip is an appreciable commander in her own right and would be good to add as a budget option (vs Liliana of the Veil), or even as a supplementary inclusion to increase your Liliana-related flavor. There would be a lack of consistency getting her flip ability to trigger, but her planeswalker abilities are quite good. In a deck focused on mass-discarding, your opponents are bound to have dropped some goodies (large creatures) from their cookie basket (hand) into to the lost-and-found pile (graveyard) for you to make better use of (steal). Flip Lili offers you some useful role compression; the discard ability should always be relevant, and you can attempt to revive a target previously pitched, all in one card.

Getting Liliana to actually flip would be inconsistent at best, but that brings me to my second point: your list lacks any on-demand sacrifice outlets. Even if you don't have robust reanimation capabilities, effects like Soldevi Adnate are severely underrated in mono-black lists, and at the very least, give you the ability to control when and how your creatures leave the battlefield. If for nothing else, consider adding a single sac outlet to use as protection/security for your commander. I suspect Tinybones will be THE target your opponents would want to steal from you; having this extra layer security can prevent quite arguably your greatest asset from being used against you.

I mentioned previously the notion that reanimating things from other opponent's graveyards is something to keep in mind when you're constantly forcing the whole table to discard. I've played a Chainer, Dementia Master list for over a year and a half now, and in it I make use of cards like Anvil of Bogardan, Opression, and Mesmeric Orb to accelerate my own reanimation gameplan while providing the opportunity to cherry-pick useful creatures my opponents discard. While those effects should, in general, be asymmetrically beneficial to you as the controller, in my experience there are SIGNIFICANTLY more graveyard-focused decks out in the field when compared to a few years ago. These days, even decks that aren't purely graveyard-focused more commonly include cards that gain advantage off of incidental discarding (Eternal Witness, Finale of Promise, etc.)

So, if you include cards that force the table to discard, you are inherently exposing yourself to the fact that an opponent can stand to benefit from the action of discarding as much as you will. Respect the ability of your opponents' decks to make use of their own graveyards at some level, and try to make sure you pack several pieces of graveyard hate in order to tip the balance behind your discard effects back into your favor. Yes, you should be packing more grave hate than just Bojuka Bog.

If you do end up going heavier on the reanimation spells, try and limit yourself to opponent-only graveyard removal that you can activate at instant speed. Since you're not really touching your own graveyard all that much, my single best suggestion for your current list would be Scavenger Grounds as it only takes up a land slot and can still be used at instant speed. In the future, if you continue to prioritize discard-related effects over graveyard reanimation consider Leyline of the Void for a proactive approach, or Tymaret, Chosen from Death/Withered Wretch to act as a graveyard gatekeeper.

As a final suggestion, consider adding in a little bit more ramp into your list. Never hurts to have more mana ramp when your endgame itself is based on assembling a combo utilizing semi-expensive cards like Magus of the Coffers. Wayfarer's Bauble specifically plays nicely with Black's preference for Swamp-based ramp on the cheap. It's lowkey, and yet very capable. Extraplanar Lens is a noteworthy, low to the ground mana doubler that I don't see in your list already; consider a proxy for it as it may not even be necessary given the low curve of this list in general.

Your deck seems very approachable while still being very capable in quickly assembling your payoffs and enablers. I hope some of my suggestions have been useful! But even if you disagree with what I suggest, just know that despite how innocent and charming of a tiny distraction your commander may appear, it will always just be one big nuisance.

FunnyDuck Thanks much for the suggestions and the upvote! If I'm reading it right, you suggest the deck should shore up in these areas:

1) GY control, either through reanimation or exile.

2) Commander control, through sac effects.

3) Additional ramp.

Plus the recommendation of Liliana, Heretical Healer  ^Flip, which I appreciate because she was my favorite card of Origins. I spent so much money on drafts trying to pull her, and I was so mad I just kept getting the (then $7) Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  ^Flip...

ANYWAY. Lots of good points. I will say it's tough with an "engine" deck like this one to add additional utility without sacrificing consistency. It's just SO BAD if you have out the Megrim effects and then stop drawing gas. As much as possible I'm trying to make the utility and win-con effects overlap with other synergies, like Madness, or else stick it in the land slot, like Bojuka Bog.

For category 1), I definitely like Scavenger Grounds, and maybe: Elspeth's Nightmare, Phyrexian Scriptures, Nezumi Graverobber, Shred Memory (which can tutor for either a Your-Turn Discard or a Liliana's Caress) or Erebos's Intervention?

It's also worth noting that one could just build this deck without any GY interaction and run Leyline of the Void and Planar Void.

For 2), I'm not convinced that the deck can't run without Tinybones, since there are other ways to break parity in both the discard selection and in the extra Draw Engines. Tinybones is also really easy to recast through Commander Tax, so the real problem is being stolen. I'm thinking maybe just running a Homeward Path and Phyrexian Tower and maybe Endless Sands, which also works with Scavenger Grounds. If I'm running these colorless/non-Swamp lands I should probably throw in Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth.

3) In playtesting, I haven't found much of a need for more ramp (especially because I usually want to cast Tinybones on t2), but if I do, it will probably be Coldsteel Heart or Mana Vault.

I would really love to run that Liliana, but without adding more sacrifice effects, I don't think I can pull it off. That's definitely one way to build the deck, though.

Thanks again! I'll make some changes now and what I don't make room for now, I'll add to a recommendations section on card selections if you're facing GY decks, steal decks, etc.

Yo abby315, one more thing: You seem like you know your sh*t, come join us over at the Card Creation Challenge! It's a cool forum where we design a card to the specifications of the person above us, and then issue a challenge for the next person. It's always cool to get new people and new ideas on the forum.

Sadistic Hypnotist can empty a hand real quick. Noxious Toad's oracle text is each opponent discards. Also, if there's any sort of +1+1 counter theme going on here (I hate custom categories...) Oona's Blackguard puts in some work.

I personally play Grixis discard with Marchesa, the Black Rose at the helm. Mines more of an etb/death trigger abuse deck though. Hand Hate Marchesa if you feel like taking a gander.

Well it's October so I only just got around to making a spooky list featuring The Tiniest of Bones. I was really inspired by your build, breakdown, and humor. I ended up going my own way on a few points but here's where the list landed. Take a look! Tinybones, Bladerunner