I'm (NOT) in love with the coco (Werewolves)

Modern Shmookyla

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Just say no to CoCo —June 18, 2018

Well quite a bit has changed with this deck, it turns out that hinging your blend on collected company is not a solid approach when it comes to werewolf tribal. I did not add aether vial to coco as I felt it would be more of the same, and from what I have read that unfortunately is accurate. I think part of the problem is that the linear nature of a COCO deck combined with the more or less squishy nature of werewolves makes it really tough to create a winning scenario. So I have resorted to a combination of werewolves and wolves combined with some token generation to create what appears to be a solid list.

Flooremoji says... #1

Use Dampening sphere against eidolon?

March 29, 2018 11:22 p.m.

Flooremoji says... #2

Oh, and Silverfur Partisan can annoy your opponents.

March 29, 2018 11:25 p.m.

Shmookyla says... #3

Hey Floormoji,

Thanks so much for the suggestions brother! did you mean damping sphere from dominaria that has yet to be released? As far as Silverfur Partisan, that is a mighty good catch. I completely overlooked him, which cards currently in the deck would you drop in favor of the partisan?

March 29, 2018 11:40 p.m.

Flooremoji says... #4

I'm not sure... But i'm still not sure this is competitive although i like the theme. how fast does this win?

March 30, 2018 8:59 p.m.

Flooremoji says... #5

Possibly the hermit.

March 30, 2018 8:59 p.m.

xEleven says... #6

March 30, 2018 9:24 p.m.

Thorbogl says... #7

whoever said that onedrop werewolves are useless, i think a turn 1 Village Messenger  Flip or Reckless Waif  Flip is just fine, build up some pressure, speed up your gameplan, AND you're playing 12 lord effects. so why not?

Aether Vial gives you the option to put creatures into play without casting any spells, thus your wolves will flip if nobody else plays a spell.

Moonmist can act as surprise wincon, aswell as a one sided fog, maybe as sideboard tech against aggro

anyway, +1 for representing the krallenhorde howlpack

March 31, 2018 5:44 a.m.

Sir_Garde says... #8

Why have 2 Eidolon of Rhetoric in your sideboard if the deck already has 4?

April 2, 2018 2:42 a.m.

ksuKaliber says... #9

I like the reasoning for Eidolon of Rhetoric but not the way it's supported in the deck. Running as a 4-of and the only way to hit it is off Collected Company, and that it's otherwise a dead card in hand. I know you mentioned it's a kitchen table deck so the fetch/shock lands probably aren't in the picture, but I would say that unless you have the dual colored lands or Aether Vials or some other way to support them they might be better off left out rather than being dead draws. I might suggest Hermit of the Natterknolls  Flip as an on-theme and color-supported creature that punishes them for at least trying to mess up your "Draw-Go" transform turns.

April 2, 2018 11:11 a.m.

Shmookyla says... #10

Hey There,

So I sincerely appreciate all the comments posted here. I will address each one in order.

Flooremoji, So the deck is kitchen table, I don't really see something like this becoming competitive, it's just got too many soft spots. It takes a while for the deck to land on its feet when it has won. I am trying to give it more staying power on the battlefield so that I can stick around long enough to win.

xEleven, Mutagenic Growth is definitely an option where this deck is concerned, converted mana cost of 4 vs 1 certainly makes a difference. I think I will take this under heavy consideration, Thank You!

Thorbogl, So I want to experiment with Aether Vial, it got mixed reviews on the thread I mentioned above as people were testing it out but I want to see how it plays myself. I have strongly considered Village Messenger  Flip in this deck, the guys I typically come up against are bringing some hard hitters so I become hesitant with squishy 1/1's. The human side of Werewolves is just so soft, it is frustrating. Regarding Moonmist this is generally the first question I get asked when I ask friends about this deck. The truth is that CoCo decks after loading it chock full of creatures leaves little room for anything else, as a rule I prefer to have a playset of any given card just so I can see it actually get some play vs having 2 of a card and 2 of another and maybe see one or the other during the course of play, so I went for Howlpack Resurgence for the buff and for the trample just in case Kessig Wolf Run is a no show. However there is something to be said for Moonmist

Sir_Garde, You are right and I changed it ;-)

ksuKaliber, So the Eidolon of Rhetoric also benefits from Birds of Paradise so on top of CoCo there is also the ability to create some white mana that way. I shared your concern until the birds swooped in.

April 2, 2018 2:32 p.m.

tumorman73 says... #11

Bloodbraid Elf may not be a werewolf but it is a great play here because you'll more than likely hit another creature and still have the 3/2 haste. might be a little weird since you're running coco but at least 2 of em wouldn't hurt and would allow you to be more explosive on turn 3 with birds in play

April 2, 2018 4:39 p.m.

Shmookyla says... #13

Thank you for your suggestion, I dearly appreciate you posting here. So assuming I would draw Collected Company, I found myself becoming annoyed if it is Ulrich of the Krallenhorde  Flip or Huntmaster of the Fells  Flip for example, as they are 5 and 4 drops respectively and therefore would be skipped in a Coco draw. The same would apply to Bloodbraid Elf unfortunately which has me strongly considering replacing Collected Company with Aether Vial as I would avoid this problem and not be limited to 3 drops or below. I would also benefit from stronger werewolves instead of the guys and gals I have running point for me in this deck. We shall see...

April 2, 2018 8:21 p.m.

AusarTheVile says... #14

This deck looks fun. I would run 2 or 3 moon mist instead of the giant growth to be honest. It seems like it would help your cause more

April 3, 2018 10:42 a.m.

Icbrgr says... #15

Nice brew!

April 3, 2018 1:36 p.m.

Sir_Garde says... #16

Honestly I would make the case for Duskwatch Recruiter  Flip instead of Collected Company

April 3, 2018 3:29 p.m.

Muggins84 says... #17

Cool WW deck! Eidolon is an interesting idea. Have you considered Heroic Intervention? It helps big time against spots for all your permanents & sweeps while not hammering your curve.If for nothing else a good sideboard option.Anyways looks like fun and kudos on a cool deck.

April 4, 2018 3:36 p.m.

Shmookyla says... #20

Thanks for all of the Coco love, I really really appreciate all of the feedback I have been getting on the deck and the upvotes are a confidence booster.

AusarTheVile, thank you for this suggestion, I was actually on the verge of taking you up on your suggestion regarding Giant Growth until Muggins84 mentioned Heroic Intervention. Although Moonmist flips our puppies and blocks wolf and werewolf damage, I am leaning toward Heroic Intervention over Moonmist as it covers all of my permanents WW or not and the non werewolves are crucial to the survival of the pack. If I let the Eidolon of Rhetoric bite the silver bullet then I'm subject to whichever spells the opponent wants to bring as long as they have the requisite mana. Birds of Paradise is Birds of Paradise, no two ways about it.

Icbrgr, Thank you kindly, trying my utmost to crack the werewolf deck on this one.

Sir_Garde, I would really be interested in your thoughts regarding the replacement of Collected Company with Duskwatch Recruiter  Flip

April 5, 2018 1:06 a.m.

Muggins84 says... #21

For more resilience have you considered Full Moon's Rise similar to Howlpack Resurgence but I feel that rise is better overall. It's cheaper and and can save the pack from most sweeps. But I suppose it would come down to how important it is for you to have the wolf buff from resurgence. Just something else to consider.

April 5, 2018 2:24 a.m.

hamiam says... #22

AWESOME +1

April 6, 2018 9:48 p.m.

Sir_Garde says... #23

I typed out my comment mistakenly I meant to say "I would make the case of Duskwatch Recruiter  Flip as a potential replacement for a less costly alternative in a more budget deck. my bad.

April 7, 2018 4:05 a.m.

Cheevil says... #24

In terms of 1 drops, I would make the case for Young Wolf. The undying gives you the option of chumping twice, destroys anyone trying to make you sacrifice things and is annoyingly hard to kill.

April 8, 2018 2:49 p.m.

CavusCanis says... #25

Hey Shmookyla! Fellow Werewolf enthusiast here. I play tested your deck against my paper werewolf deck that I'm gonna put a link to once I get it on Tappedout.

I did a three round game, and my werewolves came out 2-0, but that really only happened because your deck got landlocked second round.

That being said, the strength I saw in the deck playing against it happened when I had a two Lightning Bolts in hand, a flipped Village Messenger  Flip and a Smuggler's Copter, but your werewolves had flipped and everything was above 3 toughness. It was quite an ordeal to play against. Plus you had Heroic Intervention in hand, so no matter what I did I was taking trample damage from Howlpack Resurgence. It performed fairly decently. The one problem with running no 1/1s was speed. Your deck had to fully devote to one card, every turn, which is ultimately too slow for the human side of the deck. In my humble opinion, I've had a consistent experience using Young Wolf and Village Messenger  Flip in conjunction with Smuggler's Copter, Cream of the Crop, and Aethersphere Harvester as protection against flyers and card draw of various types. The thing with werewolves is they need a value engine. I've found, after play testing my wolves against a couple mirror matches, that CoCo usually doesn't come to the rescue often enough and isn't a very consistent experience.

Despite my comments, I do believe the brew to be quite full of jank and fun. Kitchen Tables everywhere will benefit. :)

April 8, 2018 9:09 p.m.