I finally had another opportunity to playtest this deck, and I have mixed feelings about it. While the list is certainly powerful, it's kind of slow. I spoke in person with the codesigner with whom I discuss many potential additions and cuts, and I have come to the conclusion that there need to be some changes. He runs a variant that heavily favors low-cost ramp, sometimes in the form of mana dorks. I personally don't like depending on mana dorks for ramp because the format is full of sweepers. However, I would like to cut some of the slower and less applicable cards for more ramp or cheaper substitutes.

Mana Web , Bribery , and Mystic Snake are highest on my list of cards to go. My topmost update explains why. I also think I might end up cutting Cryptic Command , Fact or Fiction , and Leyline of Anticipation .

I want to add Three Visits (it depresses me how expensive this card is for no reason other than its unavailability). I'm also considering cheaper counterspells. Although I have traditionally not liked Arcane Denial and Remand in EDH, my friend raised the valid point that they're not as disadvantageous as I thought them to be. They can effectively protect combos on my winning turn for less mana than other counterspells, and their mana costs aren't as demanding.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

I also cut the filter lands for basics, as my friend suggested. He pointed out filters aren't always ideal. I started a game with two of them in hand, and I actually wished they were basics because it was difficult to work without easy access to colored mana. On top of that, the basics play better with the nine fetches, especially since those fetches can be recurred with Crucible of Worlds .

i personally don't believe that the deck is slow, (i consistently win turn 6 with it). with Remand i personally don't like it but it can protect your combo if need be. personally, i prefer the filters because they give more choices but if you prefer the basic lands more, then that's you. i'm aware that Pernicious Deed is a good board wipe, but how many times have you found a use for it? CHEERS

also, have you thought of the vivid lands?

The deck isn't slow, per se, but it is slower than it could be.

Every time I've played Pernicious Deed , it's been useful. However, there have been a number of times when I've held it in hand because it wasn't relevant at the time I drew it. I'll add it to the list of potential drops.

The vivid lands are too slow for this build. Although they're decent color fixers, I need immediate access to mana. I would run basics before vivids because the basics can be fetched and don't ETB tapped.

Cut the Leyline, it's almost a deaddrop if you don't get it in your opener. I honestly find that alchemist's refuge with enough ramp does the job and is easier to tutor for in your colors. That is how I've felt my deck operates though, and we both know our decks work differently.

Also, what happens if someone exiles your Palinchron , that is your deck's main wincon after all.

I can play around Palinchron being exiled by using a recursion loop with Eternal Witness . Since I normally don't play Palinchron without countermagic up, it's usually not a problem.

card:Praetor's Grasp on turn two would say otherwise. =P But fair enough, the recursion loop from E-Witness does bring a lot of my games to a win as well.

Strangely, I never face any card:Praetor's Grasps, Sadistic Sacrament s, or other from-library exile effects.

You should try going up against my deck sometime then, might see something you'd perhaps use in your deck. Any deck that runs 3 or 5 colors should run card:Praetor's Grasp imo, even if you cant cast what you steal you can put a big dent in a deck's combo engine.

Personally, I'd swap Cryptic Command for Dismiss if all you want is the draw. Remand and Delay are also really good soft counters that I've found help a lot when trying to combo off.

Wood Elves wouldn't be bad to include either if you wanted another land fetch. You could probably swap it in for the leyline easily

I don't always choose to draw with Cryptic Command . I occasionally bounce a permanent with it, which is part of how it works in combos.

Forbid , I know you don't like it, but with a C-sphinx of Damia out, it'll lock down your opponents.

Although I understand the concept behind Forbid in this kind of deck, the sheer card disadvantage is something I can't accept. I don't have enough graveyard interactions to make it worthwhile.

Fair enough, I do feel like that's more for my deck than your own. Have you considered running Sylvan Primordial to make up for losing Primetime?

I foresee two problems with Sylvan Primordial :

1) A prohibitive mana cost makes it a dead draw. Even on the turns I have that much mana, I'd rather be comboing.

2) The effect isn't good enough in competitive EDH. I'll have probably exhausted my fetch options by the time I could cast Sylvan Primordial , and there isn't a guarantee I'll be able to knock my opponents out with the first part of its ability.

i personally thought that your choice of azusa, instead of titan was excellent, you mentioned that you might drop Fact or Fiction for something, would you consider dropping it?

Fact or Fiction is a good card, and I've had some insane rips with it, but I feel like the CMC-4 price tag is kind of prohibitive when mana is tight. I'd like to add more draw power in its place, but I can't think of any viable alternatives. I may add another ramp or control spell instead. Any suggestions?

It annoys me that Three Visits is $20+ because it's a P3K card, even though it's an exact reprint of card:Nature's Lore. The ramp is worth it, though. I just wish BUG had an equivalent of Murmuring Bosk .

I'm very curious as to how much more drawing you could do at 4cmc that FoF can't get you. The card is insane, especially for the opportunity it has to punish the opponent should they pile incorrectly.

Not to say cards are better against bad players, but I've seen great players really sweat on a clutch FaF.

Waiiiiit somebody suggested switching Crypt for Dismiss? lol What the shit?

The people on this site, man.

Also, 20~ dollars for a P3K card, while a bit outrageous for it's cost, seems like peanuts compared to everything else in here. Just saying. ;3

Dropped Mana Web for Three Visits . Now I need to find one.

Good luck on finding one, I've been doing that for a month.

i like the deck very much,+1 from me.can u tell me how i can build a similar deck with not expensive cards?i dont have that money

It depends on your budget, really. The best thing about an unlimited budget is the access to cards like ABUR duals, shocks, and fetches. Those cards are what make the deck so consistent. Without those, you'll need to work a bit harder to get consistency from your lands, and your deck will likely be slower as a result.

Epoch, I really want to play you 1v1 with my Vendilion Clique EDH deck. Looking through your deck really excites me, as I love pairing green and blue. Bant is probably my favorite color combination. I like mono blue more cause I don't need to own any fancy duals. :P

Send me a message sometime and I'll hit you up on Cockatrice or Lackey.

-BuLLZ3Y3