京 An illusion? What are you hiding? (cEDH-$T4KS) 京
Commander / EDH
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Bury a friend —Feb. 2, 2019
Revisions : Eating Glass and staring into the Abyss... :
So I've been going around again doing more research and Have found possible cards that could see a cut sooner or later because frankly, they have been underwhelming, lackluster or just good cards that would fit if the meta were a lot different or slower.
(Also not running Prime Speaker Vannifar yet as Birthing Pod is still better for this deck at this moment! Might see play in the future)
Cards on the edge of relevance: Show
Archon of Valor's Reach is a 6 drop that doesn't win you the game if you are going to cut anything for Prime Speaker Vannifar , thats what I would cut unless the archon really does so much work that you are willing to go up the chain hardcore and grab it. In that case I guess you wouldn't want to cut a pay off for an engine.
January 24, 2019 5:08 p.m.
@Noahsucks, Well it has won me many games at the moment and naming instants breaks most of our CEDH meta, but he doesn't only do that he is a stasis enabler for the more casual slower tables... Because I attend a lot of leagues,fnm and commander tournaments here, I do as well meet lower end decks or more casual decks among the first rounds for example and this is a niche card that does a good job at combatting both kinds of playstyles...
But you do have a valid point as a drop is borderline huge in some cases and is never out fast enough vs our most fast decks anyway...
I'll consider it when testing this weekend!
January 25, 2019 12:58 a.m.
I was originally just going to upvote for the WoW reference in the title, but the expansive information you've provided is actually worth the vote.
Nice job.
January 25, 2019 8:59 a.m.
After a solid amount of testing Lavinia, Azorius Renegade this is what I found,
She Shines in Stormy meta where a lot of rituals and extreme artifact ramp is used as they won't be able to cast what they want as early as they would have wanted... Her first Ability really slows down some of the Faster decks that cheat things in play from anywhere be it A High CMC Card that wants to go through with Artifact ramp or early Mana-dorks trying to get ahead...
She also stops certain Flashback cards with alternate costs (Like Dread Return before the 4th land drop as they can still hardcast it from their hand after a while) or even Counterspells, draw spells or any other Non-Creature spells with alternate costs Like Force of Will , Pact of Negation and Gush ...
To be blunt This Ability is at best a Soft-lock with a ticking time bomb unless they don't make their land drops and they get stuck... Her second ability it is still impactful enough to consider her a threatening Stax piece solely because both of her abilities are an asymmetrical advantage...
Countering Spells that your opponents cast and didn't pay mana for is an obvious Stax must have but also Stopping scepter combo's and infinite Non-Creature outlet spells because they just can't cast them that way is very interesting!
All that while only costing you ...
25-1-2019 - Players may cast spells that they know Lavinia will counter. Any abilities that trigger when spells are cast will trigger and resolve if appropriate, and any effects that count spells cast will count those spells if appropriate.
25-1-2019 - Effects that modify or replace the cost to cast a spell (such as spectacle) don’t affect the spell’s converted mana cost, so they won’t change whether Lavinia’s first ability restricts that spell from being cast.
25-1-2019 - For spells with Variable Colorless in their mana costs, use the value chosen for X to determine the spell’s converted mana cost.
25-1-2019 - If an effect allows a player to cast a spell without paying its mana cost, that player can’t choose to cast it and pay its mana cost unless another rule or effect allows that player to cast it that way.
(Also on a minor note card effects that state "You Can't" always beat effects that say "you can" for example if your spell can't be countered and it costs zero somehow Lavinia will trigger and won't counter the spell)
Some minor Glitches I found:
When I Started to test her as a commander for a short while she usually slowed down a lot of the "Fast-Cedh" decks and stopped most of the "cheat in-game" ones... I can certainly say she is better as 1 in the 99 than using her at the helm of any deck as her win conditions are really slow and bad while being a great Stax Piece.
(Apart from being a solid support deck In 2HG she has high power in controlling the Game but no real chance at consistently winning...)
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Helm of Awakening For example makes a Sol Ring , Mana Vault and any spell that would have costed cost instead and countering those cards...
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yet we run a lot of Sphere Effects (+) contradicting her second ability and allowing your opponents to yet again cast their moxes and crypts... Although it is just a minor setback to what the card can do it still has its powerful Soft-Lock interactions...
AzureOctive says... #1
Upvote for the title alone, no idea what the deck is about
January 19, 2019 9:16 p.m.