Hi guys, just a quick question: Why is it called 4c Rashmi?

FRNKFRNK Rashmi used to be in the list, and it was developed starting from a rashmi list IIRC. plus the play pattern is very similar to a rashmi control deck

It's actually more because a Curiosity effect + Vial Smasher the Fierce effectively builds a Rashmi, but it has some other superficial similarities to general 2c control.

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Just wondering what other wincons besides paradox and scepter you've considered? I'm thinking of building a version of this deck but my meta is quite interaction heavy and I feel having one only real wincon is too fragile. And what was the reasoning behind the rashmi cut? Too much mana investment?

Jinandtonic123 the deck can (and will) beat people just by grinding them into the ground. especially in matchups where players are using their life totals aggressively, for Ad Naus and the like, vial smasher triggers can easily win you the game if things go long enough. you want to be triggering vial smasher anyways, to reap the benefits of curiosity and friends, so it basically gives you the option of "oops, my walue grinding kind of killed you all, gg"

Gotcha. When I build it I might try out a Bolas’ Citadel/Aetherflux Reservoir Package as an alternate wincon and see how it goes, can always take it out for more interaction if necessary but I feel both pieces are good enough on their own

Also have 2 Curiosity effects generally been enough? We only have a couple ways of getting them back and they fall off when Vial Smasher dies, which I feel will be at least once or twice a game. Although I suppose by that point thrasios engine should be online

Jinandtonic123 Fortunately, the Curiosity effects aren't critical to actually winning the game, so losing them sucks, but it's no too big of a deal. 2 is fine, as the other options are all 3+ mana, which really isn't where we want to be for value engines. Also, Sygg functions as a pseudo-curiosity a lot of the time by turning Vial pings into draws.

Woah Man, this deck has serious game against similar PST style decks... which is like the defacto deck of the format. Been loving it.

Why no Narset, Parter of Veils ? She seems like an auto include, not only do you wall tymna, even if something does get through they dont get anything, also it helps with the gitrog problem because they have to go to gitrog beats in order to make any headway, she also doesn't carry the risk that notion theif does of an opponent forcing you to deck yourself.

Also Arcane Artisan seems like some cute tech if you put in maybe a Niv-Mizzet, Parun . Also instant speed gilded drake token seems like a really good way to get someone.

Omnisurge why would you put a bad shitty interaction? This deck already reacts at instant speed to everything. Why add slow ass cards... and bad cards at that.. or high costing cards that do things we are already running? Literally makes no sense.

So you are saying let's literally ruin the deck consistency, for lesser cards? Worse versions of things we already run? Why? Like legit why?

With MH1 is it right to simply cut signets and instead play talismans? As you said before life total isn't used much so it seems that talismans are strict upgrades except when they're used to filter colorless into colored.

Have you considered Narset, Parter of Veils?

Training grounds might be worth considering also.

How will this deck archetype adapt with the banning of Paradox Engine ?