[Primer] - Jund Midrange

Modern Chasmolinker

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New Look!! New write-up coming soon. —Aug. 8, 2018

Updated look and feel for the deck page. Looking to do a full re-write in the coming weeks. Look for the next update in two weeks when I FINALLY get to play this deck at my LGS after a long hiatus.

LeMonado says... #1

I think that the title is a bit pretentious, personally. I liked when it actually showed a bit of humility. There is no supposition on whether it IS true or not, but it doesn't make any effort to disprove the stereotype of snobby Jund elitists that runs rampant across FNMs across the country.

August 1, 2018 1:51 a.m.

DarkStarStorm I mean, they've paid $2000 to play a card game. I think they've bought the right to be snobs.

But I do agree with you.

August 1, 2018 1:58 a.m.

LeMonado says... #3

I followed this because everyone genuinely discussed the archetype and the meta...now it seems like this guy is a bit big for his breeches.

August 1, 2018 4:43 a.m.

Chasmolinker says... #4

DarkStarStorm and ToolmasterOfBrainerd I didn't mean for any bad feels. I was going for a bit of humor, as we all know Jund had about a week or two after the unbannings of limelight and has since taken a back seat. Your point about "everyone genuinely discussed the archetype and the meta" is why I made the title change in the first place. The deck hasn't seen much commentary in those areas in some time. I assure you, that humility is what I strive for at FNM's and competitive play. The Jund archetype has been a favorite of mine ever since it tore me a new one when I first started playing Modern a few years ago. I enjoy playing this deck when I get the time to actually go and play it.

I appreciate your brutal honesty and look forward to your content.

August 1, 2018 8 a.m.

DarkStarStorm nah chas isn't like that. He's a good guy who gives great deck feedback. Aside from the former title he's not obnoxious.

Chasmolinker thanks man. Deck is still sweet. The only thing I don't like in the mainboard is that it plays only 1 thoughtseize. I know a low thoughtseize count is the accepted thing in modern right now, I admit I'm not a sucker for the card and like to see more. In my mind, ripping away Karn or cryptic command (or teferi) or collected company is how you beat decks that aren't aggro.

My perception comes from playing Grixis, where the burn matchup is decent so thoughtseize life doesn't really matter. And ripping away those 4 and 5 mana cards wins games.

I'm jealous you still enjoy this deck. I'm getting a bit sick of this modern meta to be honest. Delver is fun when the opponent lets me play, but so many games are just dumb and unfun. My real problem is I've been spoiling myself with amazing games of legacy.

August 1, 2018 9:55 a.m.

Chasmolinker says... #6

Thanks ToolmasterOfBrainerd for the feedback and support.

I agree with you on Thoughtseize. I'm not sure where my local meta has shifted since my last FNM. Last I remember it was a bunch of dumb aggro with Humans and Hollow One. The additional life loss is not something I want based on that. Although if the meta has gone more Control and Tron like most of these sites are suggesting I could definitely see running a 3/2 discard split still favoring Inquisition of Kozilek with a 3rd Thoughtseize in the SB.

I've been trying to discover a new pet deck to bring to FNM with Death's Shadow and Varolz, the Scar-Striped at the forefront. Although I still love playing Jund, it gets blown apart by Hollow One and other graveyard decks like Living End. Burn can be tough sometimes, but proper sequencing can usually get the win.

August 1, 2018 12:02 p.m.

LeMonado says... #7

ToolmasterOfBrainerd I know he's not. I started following this back when it had 10 upvotes and approximately 1k views. There's a guy in my meta, who runs a fully foiled and judge-promo'd Jund list, and it's hard to talk with him because all of his opinions revolve around how Jund is "unbeatable." Dude doesn't acknowledge the games where he is 2-0'd by Skred or stalled for 40 minutes by a Bant Blink deck that hasn't drawn a single blink spell or a Chord of Calling despite having a 12/12 Scooze, two 5/6 Goyfs, and 2 Bloodbraids that cascaded into Maelstrom Pulse.

I was scared that Chas was going down that path, which saddened me. I play Bogles, Ad Nauseam, and am building Four Color Copycat. I follow this deck thread because, being a "goodstuff deck", it means that the deck discussion is inherently bound to be a meta discussion.

August 1, 2018 3:07 p.m.

Chasmolinker says... #8

Thanks DarkStarStorm for keeping me honest and for your support. You HAVE been here since I was running Foreboding Ruins and Moldgraf Scavengers. (Yikes!!) I have definitely had quite the bruiser match-ups that you speak of. Jund is my pride and joy and I just want to be able to show my face around my LGS and not get smacked with Flameblade Adept for four rounds. (I checked out that Copycat deck and it looks sweet.)

Thanks again to both of you for being a constant in my notifications. I always look forward to what you have to say.

August 1, 2018 3:18 p.m.

LeMonado says... #9

Chasmolinker: I appreciate you taking a look at the Copycat list. I'm super excited to build it, and would trade away what I have of Ad Nauseam (short 8 cards) in a flash if I could get to play it.

So, when playing Bant Chord against Jund, I've been tempted to side in Eidolon of Rhetoric to shut down Bloodbraid. Obviously it shuts down Bloodbraid, but would it really hinder Jund beyond that?

August 1, 2018 3:32 p.m.

Chasmolinker says... #10

It could go either way. It's good until it dies as it pumps Goyf. At 3 mana it could be tough to keep around with all of the hand disruption and removal, although it is out of Bolt range and I would have to fetch to Push it. I want to say Damping Sphere is better. Just because it gets down quicker and even though it's an artifact is a little tougher to remove. Abrupt Decay, Maelstrom Pulse and Kolaghan's Command are all I have to deal with it. It's a little more resilient to hand disruption since you can play it quicker.

August 1, 2018 4:02 p.m.

LeMonado says... #11

Well, it is in a Chord deck, so I'm going to be tutoring for it (reason why Damping Sphere isn't in the conversation for me). I also think that Damping Sphere is worse because it only adds a tax of one mana to a Bloodbraid. You don't really have to remove a Damping Sphere, whereas Eidolon actually just turns BBE into a 3/2 haste and nothing else.

August 1, 2018 4:43 p.m.

General value cards tend to be better vs Jund. One of the biggest strengths of Jund is that hate cards aren't very effective. But good tutorable cards to play include Kitchen Finks, Scavenging Ooze, Duskwatch Recruiter  Flip. Also stuff like Gavony Township. Jund struggles against cards which don't die to removal or cards for which you don't care if they die to removal, like Kitchen Finks.

I might start building to Mardu Nahiri as my pet deck. I toyed with a list awhile back when Nahiri was still new. It has potential, except that nobody liked it back then because I didn't (and still don't) want to run Emrakul. It's basically another 50/50 deck that can be tuned to the meta. Except without the cost of buying Tarmogoyf.

August 1, 2018 9:26 p.m. Edited.

Chasmolinker says... #13

Kitchen Finks is really annoying to deal with. Unless there’s mana open to eat it with Scavenging Ooze

August 1, 2018 9:46 p.m.

LeMonado says... #14

Chasmolinker: Would Thragtusk be in that list?

August 1, 2018 11:27 p.m. Edited.

Chasmolinker says... #15

Thragtusk is difficult to answer and is a big tempo swing. I would say yes although it costs more mana than Kitchen Finks or Scavenging Ooze it gives a bigger body and a replacement when it dies. Plus faster life gain. Similar to Huntmaster of the Fells  Flip as they both are higher up on the curve but powerful against jund. Anything that gives you value just for playing it can be good against Jund. I’d be curious to see how Jadelight Ranger stacks up against attrition decks.

August 1, 2018 11:50 p.m.

LeMonado says... #16

I've also wondered about Jadelight for modern, as a alternate version of Finks in a non-aggressive metagame. It's certainly powerful!

August 2, 2018 2:01 p.m.