Zimone, Quandrix Prodigy
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
, : You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped.
, : Draw a card. If you control eight or more lands, draw two cards instead.
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Zimone, Quandrix Prodigy Discussion
1 month ago
Hey, well done upgrading the precon on a budget.
Some advice is to lower the mana curve by cutting several high CMC creatures (5 CMC or higher). Aesi, Meloku the Clouded Mirror , Tatyova, Benthic Druid , Rampaging Baloths , Avenger of Zendikar , Murkfiend Liege and Serpent of Yawning Depths are your best high CMC creatures.
An advantage that Aesi has is able to draw cards on your opponent's turns, if you can put a land onto the battlefield. Creatures who can tap to let you put a land from your hand onto the battlefield let you at instant speed do this effect thus you can do it during an opponent's turn. Simic Growth Chamber , Guildless Commons or Ghost Town can bounce themselves back to your hand. You can keep putting one of these lands onto the battlefield and draw with Aesi.
These are low CMC creatures who can first help to cast Aesi by putting lands from your hand onto the battlefield for ramp. Then when you control Aesi they're enablers with lands in your hand to draw cards. Because these creatures tap then they have great interaction with Retreat to Coralhelm and most with Murkfiend Liege . You can untap them, then potentially keep putting lands if you have in your hand onto the battlefield and drawing with Aesi.
Meloku the Clouded Mirror can be fuel to put lands into your hand to then put them onto the battlefield. If putting a land that ETB untapped then you can tap it for mana before you bounce it to pay for the activation to bounce it back to your hand.
These creatures can combo with Retreat to Coralhelm and if you're interested I can explain more in another comment. Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
I think you need to cut a lot of stuff... You'll need 40+ lands for a landfall deck I think. You've got so many cards that allow you to play additional lands. You might not have that many lands to get the value out of those cards, even if you could play lands from GY.
I think in the deck, there's 3 kinds of cards to fit the theme of what you're doing:
- Small/medium stuff which both ramps and boosts landfall at the same time like Oracle of Mul Daya
- Then it's big powerful board state changing stuff that your general will cheat from GY, like Roil Elemental
- Utility for answers to opponent like Ingot Chewer and Demonic Tutor to control the board
Once you have the cards for (1), I think you'll be pretty unstoppable. You'll have the mana base to just throw things out. You shouldn't need to worry about card draw because your general can play off the GY. But, I don't think you have enough cards that puts things into GY. If you have a full GY, your general becomes basically tutor any card and cast it for 5 mana, which is ridiculously cheap. Mayael the Anima 's ability, in comparison, costs 6, and you only get to choose from top 5 random cards. I think exploiting the general's ability is the most powerful thing in this deck, but you can't do it without a graveyard.
I think cards that don't fit that theme you've got going should be cut, even if they're powerful cards, because they clunk up your engine. Except Vigor . Bloody Vigor is the best.
Cards I think you want:
Eternal Witness - this card combos with so much, espectially if you got a way to recur it back. It returns any card from graveyard to hand, not just creatures. Great for searching for answers in your GY which aren't elementals.
Hermit Druid - Populates your GY, and nets you a land in hand. Once it's on the board, for 1 mana, you're guaranteed a basic land, and lots of stuff in your GY. It's crazy good utility. But be careful, because 5 colour means you won't have that much room for basics.
Mana Drain - The much better counterspell
Shriekmaw - Does what your Ingot Chewer and Wispmare can do, but to non-black creatures. Is elemental, so can be reused for general. Completes your board control for artifacts, enchantments, and creatures.
Cards I think you might not want:
Avenger of Zendikar - good card, but not amazing value for money IMO. For 7 mana, I think it needs to be a game changer. I know you wanna build +1+1 counters into it, but I think there's just not enough cards for that engine, and you already have too many cards.
Animar, Soul of Elements - If you have your general out, animar doesn't really do much... If you get Animar out early, it doesn't help you cast your general, and those counters will take time to build up, by which time you might as well use your general.
Kozilek, the Great Distortion - a 10 mana card that you can't cheat out with your general?
Yarok, the Desecrated - you don't really have that many ETB effects for this to be worthwhile imo.
Sylvan Awakening - why for?
Vampiric Tutor - always good to have a tutor... but it might get in the way since this tutors to the top of your library rather than your hand. So it just interferes with your "play lands off topdeck" cards, which you have a few, and then everyone also gets to see what you've tutored.
Nissa, Vital Force - eh...
Path of Discovery - pretty underwhelming... requires a creature to come down, then you might either get a land in hand, or a +1/1 counter to the creature that just came down. So only 40% of the time or so you'll actually get a land in hand. For 4 mana, you have Oracle of Mul Daya, which is just much better.
Exploration - my experience with exploration is that it peters out quickly. If you play it early, you don't have an engine yet, and you run out of land in a turn or 2. If you play it late, it's a little underwhelming. Rather pay more mana for Mina and Denn, Wildborn , Courser of Kruphix or Oracle of Mul Daya which both sources you lands and let you play them. You also have Muldrotha, the Gravetide , The Gitrog Monster , and Zimone, Quandrix Prodigy which also serves similar functions but have other uses.
Growth Spiral - arguably worse than Exploration because it's single use. Effectively does the same thing as farseek because it replaces itself with a card draw, and you get a land on the battlefield in addition to your normal turn land. But worse than farseek because you can't tutor for the card you're drawing, and you need to have 2 lands in hand for it to be worthwhile. Also needs 2 specific coloured mana to play, which you might not have early game in a 5 colour deck.
Icon of Ancestry - costs 3 to use, and needs to tap. You're much better off having something that puts things in graveyard instead because you general only costs 5, and puts it on the battlefield. And you're restricted to elemental cards, which is likely 1/3 or less of your deck. You only get to top deck 3, so it's unreliable and mana inefficient.
Dragonmaster Outcast - it's a strong card, but if you're going to cut something, cut the cards that don't synergize. It's not an elemental, it doesn't put stuff in graveyard, it isn't an answer to something an opponent plays, it doesn't put land on the board or have landfall.
2 months ago
Hey, well done on a budget upgrading a precon for a first Commander deck.
There's some cards in the precon to consider adding:
Meloku the Clouded Mirror : one of the better budget cards with Aesi because it can bounce lands you control. It can be a repeatable source of flying tokens, landfall triggers or best of all draw with Aesi.
Spitting Image : can copy any creature on the battlefield including an opponents creature. Retrace is the reason to include this because by discarding a land you can cast it again from your graveyard and keep doing this as long as you have a land in your hand to discard.
With Murkfiend Liege and Retreat to Coralhelm you can take advantage of Llanowar Scout and Zimone, Quandrix Prodigy who can tap to put a land onto the battlefield. This interaction if you have lands in your hand lets you trigger Aesi on your opponents turns. Can also abuse this interaction with Simic Growth Chamber or Guildless Commons because these lands can bounce themselves back to your hand. Either one lets you trigger Aesi and draw a card on each opponents turn.
Some other cards $1 or less each to consider adding:
- Sakura-Tribe Elder
- Talisman of Curiosity : another two drop Simic mana rock.
- Harrow : gets two basic lands at instant speed and they ETB untapped.
- Roiling Regrowth
- Brainstorm : staple blue card, draw three for one mana.
- Zephyr Boots : flying evasion for Aesi and repeatable draw.
- Decisive Denial
Some other budget lands $1 or less each to consider:
If interested I offer more advice including cuts to consider. Good luck with your deck.