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Winds of Rebuke
Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand. Each player puts the top two cards from his or her library into his or her graveyard.
Winds of Rebuke Discussion
3 weeks ago
Maybe consider Muddle the Mixture ? Counter spell in general but can tutor for either combo piece of Dramatic Sceptre, finds Counterbalance, stax pieces like Torpor Orb or Rest in Peace, finds Cyclonic Rift which you are somehow missing....
Winds of Rebuke seems like an odd card in here. I get that you want the mill to look at some fresh cards on top of your deck but I think there is better removal or ways of doing that.
Portent is the slow Ponder but you can use it on opponents which can be interesting.
Protecting a 6 mana commander might be important so I suggest putting in Lightning Greaves .
1 month ago
hey here are some changes/suggestions.
Chromatic Star instead of Chromatic Sphere You actually need to put in Intuition , Timetwister you probably just forgot about it Welding Jar , Seat of the Synod , Mox Amber Hurkyl's Recall Mental Misstep needs to be in here
IDK what artifacts you need to put in here but you need more. I feel like emry's mill need to hit something every time
Power Artifact doesn't have enough targets. i don't think its good enough here
are you trying to make a grindy/control deck or are you just going full combo? not sure which one emry is better at. if you are going full combo i think you can take out Pithing Needle ... Tezzeret the Seeker is a lot of mana for him to honestly just -0 for fast mana or like Altar of the Brood
1 month ago
Hey! Thank you for taking your time to check my brew, much appreciated!
Goretast, I think I have enough dorks and the reason why I don't play Glimpse of Nature is that it does only draws my deck, but doesn't allow me to put lands in play which limits my capability to win on the spot. Maybe I'm wrong?
Shrieking Drake isn't here because I run tutors, so there's less need for redundancy.
Also, I made some changes:
Increased lands from 30 to 34. I'm not sure 30 lands are enough..
Took out Winds of Rebuke for Loaming Shaman because the Shaman can work as a swiss knife of sort against graveyard strategies and it can refill our library which can be occasionally useful. I think I prefer it to Noxious Revival ?
I added Inquisitor Exarch as a secondary wincon. If someone can't be killed because he has hexproof or his permanents are indestructibles, or my graveyard has been exiled or whatever, then I just have to kill them with repeated life loss. I think that this should actually become the primary wincon, given how well it synergizes with Chulane, Aluren and Curio as ETB. What do you think?
1 month ago
Hi! I have seen your reddit thread and as such I am attempting a winconless Chulane deck too. So far my wincon (once infinite mana is reached and all my lands and creatures are on the battlefield and all my deck has been drawn) has been this loop: Beast Within + Reality Shift + Seasons Past + Gitaxian Probe . My deck also includes the Eternal Witness + Winds of Rebuke combo. What do you think of these two as winconless win conditions? Also, it would be of great help if you could check my brew and give me suggestions to go even more winconless. I got 3 free slots, don't know what to put on them. Here is the decklist, Thanks in advance.
1 month ago
Hey RNR_Gaming, I'm not a huge fan of
because of its cost and it doesn't necessarily combo with anything to push for a win. I do like
though and will find a spot for that because it is easy to combo with Chulane's bounce.
SideBae, thanks for your suggestions- I appreciate the feedback. I do agree about including some blue staples, namely Ponder / Brainstorm , but I'm unsure what I'd remove for them. My meta is pretty aggressive with little blue and counters, so I'm going to hold off on Carpet of Flowers and some of the non-creature spell hate cards. I do like the idea of Narset though because she is just good anytime. I was also thinking about including Loyal Retainers for value or maybe with a Saffi Eriksdotter combo, but I could only really think of Altar of the Brood as a mill win-con, which can just be done better with something like Eternal Witness / Winds of Rebuke with infinite mana. As for my budget, I plan on getting a Mana Drain , Horizon Canopy , Cavern of Souls etc. when I can because right now my land base is meh. Cyclonic Rift is going in once I find a slot for sure.
I really don't know what I'm going to do about Finale of Devastation . A lot of Chulane decks use Finale and/or Mirror Entity for big swings with their infinite mana, but that doesn't seem too reliable without trample or Mirror'd minions having haste. This is why I have so many combos in the deck because I'm unsure which 2-3 to really hone in on. I enjoy the idea of Laboratory Maniac and using infinite untaps and bounces for mana/drawing- but what's a more reliable way to win? My first thought is Walking Ballista because it can stand alone outside of the combo and wins with infinite mana. What combos do you think fit best with Chulane?
1 month ago
So for starters, I think you should definitely include Ponder and Preordain . These two one-mana cantrips don't look like much, but they'll let you run thirty-three lands rather easily and smooth out your draws. There's a reason they're super-banned in Modern, and it's not 'cause no one likes them.
Brainstorm is similar to the aforementioned, but you need shuffle effects to make it good -- getting stuck with two dead cards on top of your deck blows chunks. I think you need at least three fetches to justify running brainstorm, and probably want six plus, really. If the Zendikar/Onslaught fetches ( Polluted Delta , Verdant Catacombs , etc.) are inaccessible (they often are), there're other fetch options. Prismatic Vista is good, but that one can be expensive too... Evolving Wilds , Bad River , Rocky Tar Pit , Flood Plain , Terramorphic Expanse and Ash Barrens are all valid and much more affordable.
Concerning your counter-board, there's room for (a little) improvement without breaking the bank. Disallow , for instance, is a strictly better Cancel . I don't think Thought Collapse is very good... three mana is a lot of pay for a counterspell is a lot, and milling an opponent is frequently good for them in EDH. I think you may be better off using that slot for something like Fact or Fiction (which builds card-advantage) or a low-cost counter like Spell Snare , Spell Pierce or Dispel .
The best way to improve this deck, I think, is to work on the mana-rocks. The best ones outside Sol Ring ( Mana Crypt , Mana Vault , Mox Diamond , etc.) are unfortunately very expensive; however, there're a lot of two-mana mana rocks that are very affordable, and you may already have lying around. In my experience, two-mana rocks are a lot better than three mana rocks. Consider some or all of the following: Talisman of Dominance , Dimir Signet , Fellwar Stone , Arcane Signet (I think/hope the price will drop soon), Mind Stone , Prismatic Lens , Everflowing Chalice ... These'll let you keep up with green decks, or at least have a chance of doing so.
I see you're running Gravecrawler . I feel semi-obliged to point out that Skullclamp is stupidly good with Gravecrawler . Note that if you have a lord like Diregraf Captain out, it becomes slightly less fun; however, with your Carrion Feeder , you can keep it coming.
I think most UB decks benefit from running Ashiok, Dream Render and Narset, Parter of Veils . Their hatebear-like static abilities are super relevant in EDH, and if you pair Narset, Parter of Veils with your Windfall , you're halfway to playing Leovold, Emissary of Trest (who, thank whatever G-d may be, is banned).
Obviously, I don't know exactly how this deck will play -- I've never played this list. However, I suspect you end up with a lot of guys on the field. If that's the case, consider Slate of Ancestry as a draw engine with discard as a perk.
If you run a reanimation package, you can get cards like your Grave Titan down REAL fast. Consider Entomb in addition to your Buried Alive , and two or three cards like Animate Dead , Reanimate , Necromancy , Dance of the Dead , etc. Depending how spicy you want to get, Dreams of the Dead is in your colors... I think it's probably pretty bad, but I figured I'd mention it.
Patriarch's Bidding is around $20 nowadays, but it'll help you recover from a boardwipe real fast. I suggest running it in most black tribal decks, unless your meta is more than 40% to 50% tribal.
Winds of Rebuke is a good bounce effect that also mills you... It'll build card advantage via your graveyard, so you should at least test it.
Right. That's all I got for now. Good luck!
1 month ago
please explain why Winds of Rebuke in wincon (Finisher)?
2 months ago
oh, sorry. I didn't know that summoning sickness effected the untap symbol as well. However, mill wincons are not that effective, as some of the most played decks, such as scepter thrasios decks, 4c rashmi decks, and even some najeela tempo decks have started playing consultation/tainted pact lines as a wincon, and would therefore play Jace and/or Labratory maniac. In addition, if you find yourself having trouble dealing with creatures, Pongify , and Chain of Vapor are really good options for doing that, as well as Winds of Rebuke .
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