Suffer the Past

Suffer the Past

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Exile X target cards from target player's graveyard. For each card exiled this way, that player loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.

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Rise of the Eldrazi (ROE) Uncommon

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Format Legality
Limited Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Highlander Legal
Modern Legal
Duel Commander Legal
2019-10-04 Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Vintage Legal
Unformat Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Suffer the Past Discussion

MrKillStar on Rats, Rats, We are the Rats

1 month ago

Nice rat deck! :3


I might consider to swap the following cards:
Out: Blood Divination for: Bankrupt in Blood for - same amount of cards, but BiB costs less to cast, but requires sac 2 creatures.
Out: Coat of Arms for: Haunted Crossroads/Mortuary - You run not small amount of non-rat creatures. Even if CoA can buff your army of rats a lot, it also affects your opponent's creatures, but that depends on what kind of deck they use. Some kind of creature recovery could be definitely nice too.
Out: Rats' Feast for: Suffer the Past - Not a rat related card, but its strictly better version.
Out: Palace Siege - Im not really sure about this one, but I think that you would be better with any other creature recovery card/life pinging card. I would either use Force of Despair (board wipe if someone goes crazy; combos with your Thrilling Encore, which also works well with Living Death) or Profane Command, which is very flexible card.
Out: Temple of the False God for: Crypt of Agadeem/Bojuka Bog/Cabal Stronghold/Reliquary Tower...

Some more cards that could help aswell:
Emergence Zone; Path of Ancestry; Myriad Landscape; Altar of the Brood; Village Rites; Phyrexian Arena/Necropotence; Blanket of Night (budget version of Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth); Unearth.
Cards that DemMeowsephs mentioned are also very good and strong, just not very budget friendly. Just like Cavern of Souls.

MrKillStar on Ayara Ping

2 months ago


I would cut Conspiracy, since most of your creatures are zombies anyway and little tokens you create, you could just sacrifice asap with Ayara/Conrad on board.

Prismatic Geoscope - read rules on Gatherer.wizards.com - its 5 mana rock, that enters the battlefield tapped and can produce only one mana = useless in mono color deck. Better go with Sol Ring/Mana Geode/Arcane Signet are better options for that.

I use Tortured Existence+Desecrated Tomb in my For the Void deck and its just pure awesomeness. Every activasion of TD triggers Syr Conrad's ability twice (one creature coming out of you GY, another one coming in) and DT gives you 1/1 BLACK bat token with flying (which matters for Ayara). Its also insant speed activation, so you can use them to create flying blockers and a lot of tokens to sacrifice. Add in Phyrexian Altar and you can go infinite with either Ayara or Syr Konrad.

Sanguine Bond - With weak life gain in this deck, I wouldnt bother with this. I would replace it with more ramp - Caged Sun/Black Market or Songs of the Damned (which would work even better with Buried Alive), etc.; Village Rites would be very nice card draw (of course Phyrexian Arena, Necropotence is a big thing too).
Liliana of the Dark Realms could be also pretty nice for ramp.
You can always keep Sanguine Bond and throw in more life gain stuff life Whip of Erebos/Dread Presence/Ivory Tower/Venser's Journal or graveyard hate cards like Crypt Incursion/Suffer the Past.


Woe Strider could be used as instant sac outlet for your Ayara, with a 0/1 WHITE token and scry 1 as a nice bonus.

Cabal Coffers,Lake of the Dead,Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx - also very good lands for mono black decks, just not for low budget decks. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth - probably not worth it if you dont run that many non-swamp lands.

Cards I would cut off:

Forlorn Pseudamma - 4 cmc 2/1, that needs to be tapped and pay additional just to make 2/2 zombie seems not very good.
Piper of the Swarm - they only thing making rats is Piper and Plague of Vermin (which is ok though). Piper works much better in Ayara rat decks. In this almost zombie tribal deck, Piper just doesnt really fit.
Syphon Flesh - Very independent on your opponent's board state and number of opponents.. So its kinda 50/50.
Conspiracy - Unless you're going to do some shenanigans with making non-zombie creatures and tokens into zombies (I counted 10 things in total that are either non-zombie creatures or make non-zombie tokens), I really wouldnt waste a card space with it, unless you can do some absurd amount of tokens.
Prismatic Geoscope - as I already said above.

MrKillStar on

2 months ago

I would personally replace:
Prism Ring for Trading Post - Could be very handy artifact in decks like this.
The Immortal Sun for Exquisite Blood - creates infinite loop with Vito and Sanguine Bond, but isnt cheap. I wouldnt bother with The Immortal Sun, unless your playgroup runs a lot of planeswalkers or you struggle with card draw (which shouldnt be a problem in mono-black.
The Haunt of Hightower - I would say you need either more discard or mill effects to get Hightower big.. Doom Whisperer seems to be much more useful.
Tavern Swindler - Its just gamble that doesnt seem to be worthy in a deck, where you can already get a lot of life by other cards. Bastion of Remembrance works as another aristocrat effect (Tortured Existence+Desecrated Tomb+Phyrexian Altar as infinite engine).
Dreadhorde Invasion - You dont use any other Amass effect cards and it takes 6 turns to make a 6/6 zombie with lifelink (which will last only until end of your turn), which is pretty meh. It would be good if you had some sacrifice cards, like Smothering Abomination, Village Rites, Diabolic Intent, etc. I would go for either Twilight Prophet or Bloodline Keeper  Flip. Captivating Vampire could be useful aswell. With Carnival of Souls you could get a bit of ramp, but can backfire really hard, so its kinda risky.
Gifted Aetherborn - is pretty nice drop I guess, but feels kinda weak overall. Kalastria Highborn supports your mostly vampire creatures and can also drain your opponents.
Swiftfoot Boots - unless you want the haste, Whispersilk Cloak seems like a decent option. It cost more to cast and to equip, but makes your creature unblockable.
Drag to the Underworld - should do a good job, Oblivion Strike might be something to consider aswell. Or just Corrupt?


Some more cards that might be useful:
Call the Bloodline - discards useless cards and makes a 1/1 vampire token (once per turn).
Revenge of Ravens - decent defensive enchantment that could fit your lifesteal deck nicely.
Burnished Hart - slow ramp creature. BH also triggers your Dread Presence and Staff of the Death Magus.
Crypt Incursion, Suffer the Past - more graveyard hate and another life gain.

TinkererEDH on ComicKoS Lord Windgrace Landfall

11 months ago

First thing I'll suggest additions

  • mana ramp: Lotus Cobra - land etb you add one mana of any color - pushes your ramp faster

Amulet of Vigor - if a permanent you control etbs tapped, untap it. Not only ramps you faster, but gets past those pesky all your things come in tapped crud.

Exploration - you may play an additional land each turn, only . Very few things are more satisfying than having 7 lands turn 3 while everyone else is just putting down their third land.

Boundless Realms - search for as many basic lands as lands you control

Scapeshift - search for as many lands (basic or not) as you sacrifice

Kodama's Reach - you need a bunch of ramp spells to act with in case you don't have lord windgrace or he becomes too expensive to cast

Demonic Tutor - search your library for a card

Vampiric Tutor - search your library for a card

Beseech the Queen - search your library for a card

Summoner's Pact - pay or lose at your upkeep

Chord of Calling - search for or less CMC creature

Tooth and Nail - search for two creatures or put two creatures onto the battlefield from your hand

Rude Awakening - all lands you control become 2/2 creatures or you untap all lands or both

three of the five panoramas: The other two only fetch you one of the lands

Jund Panorama - search for any of the three basic land types you need

Grixis Panorama - search for swamp or mountain

Naya Panorama - search for mountain or forest

three of the temples:

Temple of Malady - BG scry 1.

Temple of Malice - BR scry 1.

Temple of Abandon - GR scry 1.

Things to do with

Fireball - x damage to creature or player

Crater's Claws - x damage to creature or player

Rolling Thunder - x damage to creature or player - can do more targets

Banefire - x damage to creature or player

Bonfire of the Damned xx to do x damage to tgt player and each creature he controls

Torment of Hailfire - choice of losing 3 life, sacrifice a nonland permanent, or discard a card - hilarious for huge numbers of x, and can swing the game beyond anyone recovering

Consume Spirit - x loss of life and x gain of life for you

Suffer the Past - x loss of life for x exiled cards from tgt player's graveyard. Kills their recursion and them

Dark Salvation - xx for x zombies and making a creature -x/-x until end of turn.

RNR_Gaming on Fullstop *Desperately Needs Help Trimming!*

1 year ago

What I'd trim

Suffer the Past - better graveyard hate options

Batwing Brume - in a competitive pod/play group a 1 time fog and drain effect is cute but you shouldn't really care too much about attacking creatures; with your commander your opponents shouldn't be able to stick anything for more than a turn

Mastermind's Acquisition - better tutors like Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor : are you allowed to have a wish board?

Like this doesnt look like a bad start but examine your play groups and determine the most effective cards with the most efficient cmc and cut the rest.

goldlion on Oloro Help

1 year ago

Reasons for the two questions above:

If you are winning 1/4 games, you are on par with the rest of the decks in your meta :). Either way though, tuning our decks is part of the fun and will make our playgroup improve as well.

As for the other question, for me the cards that "aren't bad", but aren't great most of time, are the signals for weak links. Either I take those out in favour of cards that synergize, increase card advantage or make a pathway to, and support, my win condition... Or, if they are cards I want to focus on, I keep them in and remove others in place of cards that'll make the "aren't bad" cards great.. Of course it all depends :).


I admit, I do not have much experience with STAXish or Control, and I'm still low on the learning curve. I do have some thoughts to share that I think can help :). I like to find a balance between flavour and function, cards that synergize and have the same "feel" while helping achieve more focus. The focus is a big step for a deck to take to get more wins. Coming up with some clear pathways to your wincons is important.

If you don't have the $ to pickup the Demonic Tutor , Idyllic Tutor and Enlightened Tutor s, there are options like Insidious Dreams . I always look at scryfall.com for transmute cards that could work as well. I just saw Brainspoil , it would be cheaper to activate than Diabolic Tutor . You would pay 3, discard it and go for any card that's 5 cmc, with special thought to either piece of your wincon. It'd also offer another removal in a pinch, or if your wincon is in hand.

If the Blood-Bond combo is your win-con right now, I'd recommend adding in recursion to get them back if they're destroyed. Argivian Find for example. Monk Idealist is a good option if you want to be more creature based. Tragic Poet is slightly slower but lower cmc. Dawn to Dusk costs a little more but pulls double duty as enchantment removal. Open the Vaults could get them both on the battlefield if each are in the yard, and for cheaper than casting both from your hand - you could make getting them from your library to your yard and casting this one pathway to your wincon. I've heard of someone using Insidious Dreams to put combo cards on top of their library, then using something to mill themselves (blue is good at this) and casting an Open the Vaults type spell. Either way you want to go, it'd be worth having at least two recursion spells to support your win-con.

If you add that enchantment recursion, a Sunbond might work to good effect, synergizing with both your lifegain and counters, but also allowing you to beef up a creature for a big strike. Spirit Loop is fantastic on big strikers, if you find your getting one in 75-80% of games. It doubles up with lifelink. Underworld Coinsmith could be a nice flavour/function addition if you start leaning into the enchantment side a little more. Basilisk Collar is a great value card giving some big creature deathtouch as one more disincentive for attacking you, while giving you another tool for lifegain when it's time to go on the attack. Imagine these on Defiant Bloodlord ?!

Worn Powerstone could be a good addition to your mana-base, something the deck might need to be able to keep responding. Smothering Tithe is one that’s off flavour but could be what you need to help ramp.

As Kaigz recommended, Dawn of Hope would go well and give you good card draw.

Krav, the Unredeemed and Regna, the Redeemer could be a nice little combo in this deck - but they both do great as solo includes. I have Krav in a deck that has the colours for Regna, but I already make plenty of tokens. In this deck, you don't have as many creatures to sacrifice to Krav, and if Regna was removed he'd be less useful for you. However, I'd say Regna might be useful? If you had a few more token generators, they'd be a great addition. Casting a creature and getting another to your hand is pretty big value in itself, but with tokens Krav is fantastic value while also making a big creature. I have him in my life leaching Ghave deck

Purity seems sweet. Do you have much red in your meta, enough to make this worth the slot and cmc? if so... Auriok Champion could swapped in for Soul's Attendant , 1 more, it has protection from red making it not just immune to red spells, but an invincible blocker against any creatures (meta dependent).

Imp's Mischief is a powerful little "counterspell" that isn't a counterspell and it goes into the bucket of cards the teach people not to target you... This style of deck is a good place to take that strategy that punishes people for coming at you. Deathtouch and instant speed removals help with that as well.

Suffer the Past is a fun flavour one I like especially because there's some graveyard based decks in my meta. It does graveyard removal while also acting as a Exsanguinate .

Batwing Brume is a cheap$ fog for your colours that also fits the flavour.

Obzedat?


Here's some thoughts on cards to take out - of course this is from online review and opinion, I don't have the gameplay experience you have.

Do you regularly have plenty of cards in hand to make the of Venser's Journal worth it?

Pontiff of Blight I don't think there's good value between his cost and what he offers you. There's cards that'd do far more for you.

I THINK cards like Night Terrors are better for much faster and competitive metas where you will know who is going to most likely be able to stop you from comboing off. Or in 1v1 games. I haven't found a place for those cards in semi-competitive group metas yet, and definitely wouldn't guess to see it fulfilling the cardslot's deserved value. It's a 1for1 trade off leaving you and the person you targeted one step behind your other opponents in card advantage. I DO see the times it could be fantastic, but it's one of those corner-case cards in the multiplayer slower style of EDH.

I feel like with the slow lifegain you have, I'd take Aetherflux Reservoir out until you consistently, after many, many games, find yourself getting to 90-100 life. I understand it to be mainly good in Storm or in a deck with more explosive life gain, like Firesong and Sunspeaker , or one that uses lifelink or Spirit Loop on a giant voltron commander. I might, if this were my deck, take it out for cards that make your deck tick a little more, just for now. Then, if you are gaining plenty of life (multiples of 50) over many games or created strong pathways to get Exquisite Blood onto the battlefield, you will by then see what is worth taking out for this. Exquisite Blood and the Reservoir are pretty their own Blood-Bond combo, but you need to make sure you have that 55 or more life consistently.

Felidar Sovereign ... Personal opinion alert .... When I first got back into magic I was so excited to pull this in a booster pack... I personally dont enjoy these alternate wincons and feel there's cards that could fill this slot that'd synergize with other cards for more diverse interactions and make the deck far more interesting. But that's just me :)

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