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Path of Discovery Discussion
1 month ago
Hey, I'm sorry, but I don't see many changes that reflect why you're using Aesi as Commander. Path of Discovery is the right idea since little creatures can potentially reveal a land with explore. It looks like you've added a +1/+1 counter strategy to make all the little creatures better which is fine, but why this theme with Aesi? The main strategies here don't benefit Aesi or get enough benefits from other cards for Aesi to be Commander.
Currently your strategy is to develop a creature board presence early with little creatures, but with Aesi instead of creatures early you want lands or other mana sources. This is called ramp and ramp will help to cast six mana Aesi faster. Then after you control Aesi the more lands you get onto the battlefield during a turn the more draw you get. Once you control Aesi little creatures aren't doing enough instead you want to cast spells that get you more lands or higher power creatures/spells that cost more mana to utilize all the lands you have and mana you can make. Your main goal should to be to get Aesi onto the battlefield which little unblockable and deathtouch creatures aren't helping with.
Sol Ring is an example of a one drop that's going to do more with Aesi as Commander than Sedge Scorpion . Sol is ramp, is considered the best card in Commander and it's excellent when your Commander has a higher mana cost.
You can get lands from little creatures who have more interaction with Aesi: Sakura-Tribe Elder and Coiling Oracle . Who can be cast early for ramp or later in the game and still have interaction with Aesi because they can or potentially can put a land onto the battlefield. Sakura-Tribe Scout and Llanowar Scout are little creatures who let you put a land from your hand onto the battlefield. This effect can be repeatable and done at any point of the game at instant speed to trigger Aesi during an opponent's turn.
Tireless Provisioner is an example of ramp that's a creature who has interaction with lands to create treasures which can be saced to make mana. As a three drop it would do more with Aesi then Vedalken Infiltrator . The nice thing about treasures as ramp is they don't go away until you use them letting you store up a lot of mana for a big turn.
Rampaging Baloths is an example of a higher power creature to spend mana from ramp on that can do more with Aesi as Commander than Oko, the Trickster . When you control Rampaging then it can create an army just by playing lands which has good interaction with Aesi by getting lands onto the battlefield.
In multiplayer Commander where each opponent starts with 40 life then it's difficult to do much damage early game with attacking little creatures. This is why I suggested Edric, Spymaster of Trest because then attacking has another purpose then just doing damage and that other purpose is drawing cards. You see with Edric you don't care about how much damage you do early game with little creatures all you want is to have your creatures do damage to opponents to draw cards.
Unblockable and deathtouch really help since these creatures are not going to be blocked by an opponent because they're not enough of a threat for an opponent to worry about, but this is what you want since then you're drawing cards. The drawing of cards because of little creatures positions you to have a lead in the game which makes it worth it to play many little creatures especially one drops to attack.
3 months ago
Na minha opinião o deck esta bastante bom. Tenho algumas sugestões que podiam ser incluídas: - Quickling - Esta carta é bastante boa. Tenho no deck dos ninjas e sempre me ajudou não só a escapar removal como ativas o efeito da Snake. O facto de ter flash permite-te usar á qualquer altura. - Thought Monitor , Thought Monitor - Tantos artifacts tornam o affinity artifact bastante bom. Estas permitem sacar cartas á um low cost - Rise and Shine , Summoning Station - Win-Cons - Path of Discovery - Com tanto bouce dá jeito. XD - Moritte of the Frost , Spark Double - Que melhor que um commander são dois.
3 months ago
Aight so we've got some cuts to make! So I think a good benchmark to shoot for off the bat is 36 lands and 64 non-lands, though with the sheer number of transform lands you have you might be fine at 34 or 35 - I would NOT recommend going that low until you've played a respectable number of games or playtest hands (probably at least 4 games and 30 playtest hands) and you have a solid understanding of how consistently you come in with too few lands.
As far as the cuts, I'd say drop: Rushed Rebirth , Ecological Appreciation , Vona, Butcher of Magan , Silent Sentinel , Resolute Archangel , Aegis of the Gods , Path of Discovery , Shapers' Sanctuary , Springleaf Drum , Perpetual Timepiece , Accomplished Alchemist , Call for Unity OR Collective Blessing (probably the latter), Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant / Rune-Tail's Essence , Elixir of Immortality , Heliod, God of the Sun , Huatli, Radiant Champion . I can give you my rationale one-by-one if you like.
Then add three lands, possibly modal spell-lands like Agadeem's Awakening Flip. Ideally, more of your lands should be multiple colours, as you have a large colour cost burden in black and white especially (lots of cards that need two or three of the same colour). The cheapest options are the snow taplands, guildgates, refuge lands (give 1 life when they enter the battlefield), and the showlands from Shadows over Innistrad and Strixhaven. There are definitely some mid-range lands that you can pick up for less than $10 that should be a high priority for you: Sunpetal Grove and Godless Shrine to fill out your buddy and shockland sets, the three scrylands a la Temple of Malady , Murmuring Bosk , Canopy Vista , and Scattered Groves . Since your deck doesn't currently have many ways to fetch basic lands, you really shouldn't have many since your colour demands are so high. Also definitely be on the lookout for legendary lands that fit into the deck well! Those will be sweet.
4 months ago
Dina, Soul Steeper , Plumb the Forbidden , Culling Ritual , Necrogenesis , Moldervine Reclamation , Poison-Tip Archer , Pitiless Plunderer , Winding Constrictor , Syr Konrad, the Grim , Sporeweb Weaver , Species Specialist , Korozda Guildmage , Casualties of War , Morbid Bloom , Damnation , Toxic Deluge , Druidic Satchel , Bolas's Citadel , Maskwood Nexus , Bastion of Remembrance , Golgari Germination , Black Market , Phyrexian Arena , Path of Discovery , Liliana, Dreadhorde General , Castle Garenbrig , Castle Locthwain , Undergrowth Stadium ,
4 months ago
I think you need to cut a lot of stuff... You'll need 40+ lands for a landfall deck I think. You've got so many cards that allow you to play additional lands. You might not have that many lands to get the value out of those cards, even if you could play lands from GY.
I think in the deck, there's 3 kinds of cards to fit the theme of what you're doing:
- Small/medium stuff which both ramps and boosts landfall at the same time like Oracle of Mul Daya
- Then it's big powerful board state changing stuff that your general will cheat from GY, like Roil Elemental
- Utility for answers to opponent like Ingot Chewer and Demonic Tutor to control the board
Once you have the cards for (1), I think you'll be pretty unstoppable. You'll have the mana base to just throw things out. You shouldn't need to worry about card draw because your general can play off the GY. But, I don't think you have enough cards that puts things into GY. If you have a full GY, your general becomes basically tutor any card and cast it for 5 mana, which is ridiculously cheap. Mayael the Anima 's ability, in comparison, costs 6, and you only get to choose from top 5 random cards. I think exploiting the general's ability is the most powerful thing in this deck, but you can't do it without a graveyard.
I think cards that don't fit that theme you've got going should be cut, even if they're powerful cards, because they clunk up your engine. Except Vigor . Bloody Vigor is the best.
Cards I think you want:
Eternal Witness - this card combos with so much, espectially if you got a way to recur it back. It returns any card from graveyard to hand, not just creatures. Great for searching for answers in your GY which aren't elementals.
Hermit Druid - Populates your GY, and nets you a land in hand. Once it's on the board, for 1 mana, you're guaranteed a basic land, and lots of stuff in your GY. It's crazy good utility. But be careful, because 5 colour means you won't have that much room for basics.
Mana Drain - The much better counterspell
Shriekmaw - Does what your Ingot Chewer and Wispmare can do, but to non-black creatures. Is elemental, so can be reused for general. Completes your board control for artifacts, enchantments, and creatures.
Cards I think you might not want:
Avenger of Zendikar - good card, but not amazing value for money IMO. For 7 mana, I think it needs to be a game changer. I know you wanna build +1+1 counters into it, but I think there's just not enough cards for that engine, and you already have too many cards.
Animar, Soul of Elements - If you have your general out, animar doesn't really do much... If you get Animar out early, it doesn't help you cast your general, and those counters will take time to build up, by which time you might as well use your general.
Kozilek, the Great Distortion - a 10 mana card that you can't cheat out with your general?
Yarok, the Desecrated - you don't really have that many ETB effects for this to be worthwhile imo.
Sylvan Awakening - why for?
Vampiric Tutor - always good to have a tutor... but it might get in the way since this tutors to the top of your library rather than your hand. So it just interferes with your "play lands off topdeck" cards, which you have a few, and then everyone also gets to see what you've tutored.
Nissa, Vital Force - eh...
Path of Discovery - pretty underwhelming... requires a creature to come down, then you might either get a land in hand, or a +1/1 counter to the creature that just came down. So only 40% of the time or so you'll actually get a land in hand. For 4 mana, you have Oracle of Mul Daya, which is just much better.
Exploration - my experience with exploration is that it peters out quickly. If you play it early, you don't have an engine yet, and you run out of land in a turn or 2. If you play it late, it's a little underwhelming. Rather pay more mana for Mina and Denn, Wildborn , Courser of Kruphix or Oracle of Mul Daya which both sources you lands and let you play them. You also have Muldrotha, the Gravetide , The Gitrog Monster , and Zimone, Quandrix Prodigy which also serves similar functions but have other uses.
Growth Spiral - arguably worse than Exploration because it's single use. Effectively does the same thing as farseek because it replaces itself with a card draw, and you get a land on the battlefield in addition to your normal turn land. But worse than farseek because you can't tutor for the card you're drawing, and you need to have 2 lands in hand for it to be worthwhile. Also needs 2 specific coloured mana to play, which you might not have early game in a 5 colour deck.
Icon of Ancestry - costs 3 to use, and needs to tap. You're much better off having something that puts things in graveyard instead because you general only costs 5, and puts it on the battlefield. And you're restricted to elemental cards, which is likely 1/3 or less of your deck. You only get to top deck 3, so it's unreliable and mana inefficient.
Dragonmaster Outcast - it's a strong card, but if you're going to cut something, cut the cards that don't synergize. It's not an elemental, it doesn't put stuff in graveyard, it isn't an answer to something an opponent plays, it doesn't put land on the board or have landfall.
5 months ago
The chosen answer has some inaccuracies.
Parallel Lives does not trigger, it replaces the event of tokens entering with twice as many tokens entering the battlefield instead. These tokens enter the battlefield at the same time, not one after another.
Since the tokens enter simultaneously, Path of Discovery will trigger twice and you can decide in what order they go on the stack. Path of Discovery does not modify the state of any creatures, tokens or otherwise. It simply has a trigger that occurs whenever a creature ETB’s.
Once all is said and done, you’ll have the two tokens with either a +1 counter on one or both depending on the results of their respective Path of Discovery triggers. Then, depending on how you stacking Rampaging Baloths and Halimar Depths , you might have a Depths trigger to resolve, or you might not.
5 months ago
...when does Halimar Depths' trigger resolve? Before or after the exploring? Does the landfall/creature-etb trigger first, or the land-etb?
5 months ago
Combo lines; Commander + Life and Limb / Ambush Commander / Natural Affinity + any sac outlet like alter of dementia (this one is actually game winning) gives you infinite etb and death triggers plus infinite mana. Ways to finish the game after that include Walking Ballista / Goblin Cannon , Soul of the Harvest / Fecundity / Staff of Domination to draw your entire library, Season of Growth / Path of Discovery to scry your way to another wincon, Seed the Land , Genesis Chamber , Scute Swarm , Zendikar's Roil for infinite tokens, Baru, Fist of Krosa for infinitely huge trample creatures, Essence Warden / Retreat to Kazandu for infinite life then hit people with a Squall Line