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| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
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Noxious Vapors
Sorcery
Each player reveals his or her hand and chooses one card of each color from it, then discards all other nonland cards.
SufferFromEDHD on
Tinybones, The Pickpocket
1 month ago
Wrench Mind one more Hymn.
Strongarm Tactics niche. Kind of a "damned if you do, damn if you don't" kind of card.
Noxious Vapors potential.
Pulse of the Dross the deck looks like it leans Hellbent. This is a great discard outlet with built in Buyback.
LoneSniper72 on
12 Rack Diesel
2 years ago
Hey, I love some of the combos that you have in here. I noticed that someone already suggested Waste Not and I also think that it is a huge advantage having it down. Also have you considered Quest for the Nihil Stone? Oppression is also another card similar to Bottomless Pit, I've noticed that it basically makes it so people don't want to play cards so it can also hinder the game some. Another card that could be of some use is Noxious Vapors, it is super deadly against mono color decks. The only other cards that I can think of are Sangromancer and Phyrexian Arena. Sangromancer can basically single-handedly keep someone alive for a ton of turns if you get it down early. Phyrexian Arena I feel is a super competitive card for the amount of advantage it provides.
Good luck with the deck I hope you find maybe one of these suggestions useful :)
StopShot on Help me foolproof this infinite …
3 years ago
@SynergyBuild, Ah well I wanted to leave what kind of deck this would be open-ended so that if it couldn't fit well in my deck it may still serve someone else's deck better. What strikes me about this combo is you could play Ashnod's Altar for , Seasoned Pyromancer for and if you produce two tokens you can cast Nim Deathmantle practically for and still have enough resources to initiate the combo without any additional mana expenditures meaning the combo has the capability to be used with as little as mana total. I feel like this is really low to the ground and may find use in either Legacy (or Modern if Ashnod's Altar is ever printed into that format). Though I haven't played in the Legacy format so perhaps that remark is a bit of a stretch and I'm sure there's loads of reasons to doubt Ashnod's Altar will ever end up in Modern, but having this sort of open-ended conversation I think can serve a lot of good even if its for commander or a different format.
As for my deck I am running Alesha, Who Smiles at Death so . So that does happen to bar me from great suggestions such as Unlife's Thassa's Oracle/Laboratory Maniac suggestion or RambIe's Abundance suggestion. I do want to thank both for bringing everyone's attention to those cards. Also due to the constraints of my deck I want to not run creatures with power 3 or greater and I don't want to run cards with CMC 5 or greater (if I can help it). That said I do want to thank PhotogenicParasympathetic for their card suggestion of Bone Miser and RambIe's suggestion to use Garna, the Bloodflame. Even if these cards don't fit into the constraints of my deck it is wonderful that they were brought up as I feel they actually do the combo a lot of good if you can run them.
I believe the cards suggested that help me the most for my deck are RambIe's suggestion of Shadow of the Grave and most importantly dingusdingo's suggestion to use Library of Leng which I am absolutely kicking myself for, for not being able to think of it around the time I made this thread. Library of Leng as I see it practically answers holes A and B and is so incredibly cheap to cast on top of that. I'm kicking myself because before coming up with this combo I was trying to come up with a two card draw engine using the library as one of the pieces.
I also want to thank dingusdingo and enpc for better explaining how this combo is non-deterministic which better exemplifies why holes A and B are so important to fill. It's also why Library of Leng was such a critical card to be noted as it turns the combo from undeterministic to deterministic.
That all being said however Library of Leng well may bring up a very hazy rules interaction into question that I feel I must have to consult a judge on. If you go onto the Gatherer page for Library of Leng and check the card rulings below on that page it specifies: "Since the card goes directly to the library, the card is not revealed unless the spell or ability requiring the discard specifically says it is."
Because of this ruling the cards discarded aren't revealed, however Seasoned Pyromancer says you can only create tokens based on what cards were discarded. So would this interaction mean that I could discard two land cards, not reveal the fact they are two land cards due to Library of Leng's ruling and then claim the two cards I discarded were actually nonland cards just to produce the tokens? Obviously that scenario wouldn't work, but this begs the question how does this work? Remember the card ruling says the cards aren't revealed unless an effect specifically says to reveal the discarded card and no where does Seasoned Pyromancer say the discarded cards must be revealed because typically the contents of any player's graveyard is common knowledge to everyone. So this effect would only apply to cards such as Nephalia Academy, Noxious Vapors, Cabal Therapy, etc. where reveal is explicitly stated. But I might be wildly misinterpreting this effect as it could also be abusive with cards that have transmute or Seismic Assault where what you discard matters except the rulings for Library of Leng also states: "You can’t use the Library of Leng ability to place a discarded card on top of your library when you discard a card as a cost, because costs aren’t effects." Transmute and Seismic Assault use the discarded card as a cost, but Seasoned Pyromancer doesn't so is this a blind spot in the rules?
But excluding what I just mentioned there Library of Leng is probably the best answer for countering Holes A and B so far, but it's still not a 100% perfect solution. There's always the risk of running into a massive land block before drawing into it and there's also the concern of if your deck has an odd number of cards, then if its the bottom card of your library you'd need some additional effect to draw into it as drawing two cards at a time would cause you to deck out and lose the game before you could even cast it. While I'm fully aware both effects are still very unlikely they do exist and that probability is a non-zero entity even if for it being very unlikely.
One card I'm already running in my deck that may help mitigate one of those issues however is Conjurer's Bauble which I can use to guarantee the bottom card of my library won't be the Library of Leng. And if I choose not to put a card on the bottom of my library, that can trip can be used to turn a library with an odd number of cards in it into a library with an even number of cards in it. It's also helpful in the event I mill either it or Elixir of Immortality into my graveyard whether by some dredge effect or through milling caused by an opponent from earlier in the game. I thought I'd bring everyone's attention to Conjurer's Bauble as the cheap cost and can trip makes it an accessory to this combo that won't be a dead draw in the event you don't have the combo out.
StopShot on
Sidisi's Rage Quit Stax. v 5.0
5 years ago
This seems like a strong deck. If you’re looking for more removal spells I’d recommend, Go for the Throat, Victim of the night, Devour in Shadow, Sinister Concoction, Dismember, and Mutilate.
Also given you have a lot of repeatable 1 toughness creature production cards I’d recommend Skullclamp for lots of card draw. Also throwing in a Grave Pact can make that synnergy really good as well. Also single card hand disruption can be weak in EDH, I’d recommend more aggressive card discard effects like Mindslicer, Chain of Smog, and Noxious Vapors.
One last thing to note, Chains of Mephistopheles is really broken when you use cards like Dark Deal and Anvil of Bogardan. I’d consider running them as powerful lockdown synnergy effects.
LordArazeal on
Choices EDH
7 years ago
trixster87,Grip of Amnesia is a touch choice, it's darn situational, yes, but does give a card draw to make up for it.
Phyrexian Tyranny was in one of the early iterations of this deck, then I realized I'd be myself drawing quite a lot if things go well. as such it gave up it's slot.
I got Painful Quandary and Custody Battle already, I agree, they are amazing choice cards with tons of value.
Vile Consumption and Noxious Vapors are going on maybe-board for now, If i can find a slot ill definitely put them in.
the other suggestions are either out of my budget (very limited budget, yes) or can't bump out a card for a slot.
thanks a bunch for your suggestions and your decks (if you check revision history you will see I grabbed quite a few from looking at your choice deck)
trixster87 on
Choices EDH
7 years ago
I didn't know about Perplex really cool counter with transmute- its going in mine. Another option counter you may like is Grip of Amnesia- this choice won't be so hard for some decks but if they're doing graveyard stuff it should make them really think.
Cards in your colors that I've found to be strong choices-
Rhystic Study- a 1 mana tax that will help you draw alot
Phyrexian Tyranny- good way to drain the table but beware it draws a lot of table hate to you.
Painful Quandary- table hate galore but strong in the late game
Vile Consumption- generally less hated than mogis or tyranny but the 1 life adds up.
Abyssal Gatekeeper- a good way to deter attackers as they'll lose a creature as will everyone else.
Noxious Vapors- screws over artifact heavy decks and mono colored decks.
Infernal Offering- political edict that also reanimates. Make a few friends or enemies.
Custody Battle- this card is amazing on commanders unless you have a global sac choice in play. they are forced to give their commander away and once its under an opponent control everyone can just pass the commander around away from the owner.
Eiti3 on
7 years ago
You're already getting a bit of hate for hand size cards like Shrieking Affliction. Plus, people like playing the game and to do that they usually need hands, so you're getting hate off the bat.
Another thought you could do is mill yourself and use graveyard recursion as your hand, so you run cards that discard both your hand and your opponents. Mindslicer, Noxious Vapors, and a risky Pox.
Dark Deal is a pretty decent card here as well. Especially if your hand fills with lands.
Ill-Gotten Gains combos well when you have a Leyline of the Void or Bojuka Bog.
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