Holistic Wisdom

Holistic Wisdom

Enchantment

(2), Remove a card in your hand from the game: Return target card from your graveyard to your hand if it shares a type with the card removed this way.

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Holistic Wisdom Discussion

Reznorboy on Hit me Belbe one more time | Belbe EDH

10 months ago

So, I posted this comment on a different Belbe, Corrupted Observer deck, sue me.

However, that person completely ignored me (probably thought I was crazy (was probably partially correct)), so I'm reposting this in case you decide to listen.

I have never tested what you are about to read.

Belbe triggers during each postcombat main phase, so it would make sense that she would be better if you had more of such.

There are 3 cards in Green/Black which are able to do that - by providing extra turns - Ugin's Nexus, Temporal Extortion, and Seedtime.

Personally, I would simply disregard Temporal Extortion, because I think it's bad.

The other two - however - can get interesting.

Since those 2 cards are so applicable and useful - and few in numbers - you'll want tutors. (Trust me, I build all my decks to be even more budget than this and I use tutors - there's a way.)

So, assuming you play basically all of the budget tutors, you can tutor for a card such as Holistic Wisdom or Forbidden Crypt. This allows you to get your tutors BACK to go tutor even MORE. (You'll need to hit Forbidden Crypt with a Krosan Grip or something to avoid losing, don't worry, you can tutor for it).

So, I would cut all of the Eldrazi and big swingers and etc. for only cards that fit into one of these categories - 1. Provide Mana 2. Drain opponents' life 3. Draw cards 4. Tutor 5. Combo pieces

I would keep the life draining ratio about where its at, maybe a little less. I would keep removal to a minimum because it will only prevent you from losing in a situation where the opponent has no backup, when you could instead just win.

Basically, under my vision, the deck would be almost entirely draw spells, mana rocks, tutors, and then the exceptions.

The way you would win in this deck, is instead of swinging with Eldrazi, creating a combo by playing Ugin's Nexus, blowing it up with a Krosan Grip, playing Mirror of Fate and using it on the Ugin's Nexus, then Restock to get back Mirror of Fate and the Krosan Grip, and then repeating that with Mirror of Fate putting back Restock, and making opponents lose life during each of our infinite turns to win.

Also forgot about Gonti's Aether Heart

Reznorboy on Belbe's Portal to the Blind Eternities! :X

11 months ago

I think the deck overall is already pretty good, but there's a few pivotal changes that could be made.

Belbe triggers during each postcombat main phase, so it would make sense that she would be better if you had more of such.

There are 3 cards in Green/Black which are able to do that - by providing extra turns - Ugin's Nexus, Temporal Extortion, and Seedtime.

Personally, I would simply disregard Temporal Extortion, because I think it's bad.

The other two - however - can get interesting.

Since those 2 cards are so applicable and useful - and few in numbers - you'll want tutors. (Trust me, I build all my decks to be even more budget than this and I use tutors - there's a way.)

So, assuming you play basically all of the budget tutors, you can tutor for a card such as Holistic Wisdom or Forbidden Crypt. This allows you to get your tutors BACK to go tutor even MORE. (You'll need to hit Forbidden Crypt with a Krosan Grip or something to avoid losing, don't worry, you can tutor for it).

So, I would cut all of the Eldrazi and big swingers and etc. for only cards that fit into one of these categories - 1. Provide Mana 2. Drain opponents' life 3. Draw cards 4. Tutor 5. Combo pieces

I would keep the life draining ratio about where its at, maybe a little less. I would keep removal to a minimum because it will only prevent you from losing in a situation where the opponent has no backup, when you could instead just win.

Basically, under my vision, the deck would be almost entirely draw spells, mana rocks, tutors, and then the exceptions.

The way you would win in this deck, is instead of swinging with Eldrazi, creating a combo by playing Ugin's Nexus, blowing it up with a Krosan Grip, playing Mirror of Fate an using it on the Ugin's Nexus, then Restock to get back Mirror of Fate and the Krosan Grip, and then repeating that with Mirror of Fate putting back Restock, and making opponents lose life during each of our infinite turns to win.

Teecane on Nethroi Hermit Wrath

1 year ago

Hey Peoni, thank you!

Yeah, I like Overrun or Fireball effects over pinging or going infinite just because I play with my friends and know how those make me feel, lol.

I am probably gonna trade something out for Skyshroud Claim but I don’t have the other two.

Right now I’m kind of considering how to smooth out the end game, because I have sort of a sorcery theme with Holistic Wisdom and Eternal Witness and stuff to hopefully get my wincons back if I mill them.

I’m probably going to add more interactivity and Food cards soon, too. I wish there was like a Grove of the Golden Goose land!

1empyrean on

1 year ago

I love the theme, and Nethroi being a cat actually fits the theme. Nice.

One thing I think you need more of is a way to get non-creature cards back from the graveyard. Holistic Wisdom might work without breaking theme.

NoSoyYucateco on Copy that, Copycat!

1 year ago

I don't think you have enough instant-speed stuff to justify Seedborn Muse. She's so strong though. Maybe if you added more mana sinks to help make use of her? Ant Queen-type effects, or Holistic Wisdom come to mind. (I LOVE Holistic Wisdom). Anything that you can dump all that mana into.

I feel the same way about Mirrorwing Dragon. You only have a few pieces that combo with it. On top of that, you can get the same effect with Zada, Hedron Grinder for less mana. I think it's a cool idea and could lead to some really explosive plays. I would just consider adding a few more pieces that can make use of it. Sublime Epiphany would be a good choice. Same with Heat Shimmer or Stolen Identity.

I think you can cut Darksteel Plate. It doesn't have much synergy with your deck, and it's very situational. Followed Footsteps is also pretty hard to get much value out of. Other than that, I think it's looking really tight, and it'll be hard to make more cuts (aside from maybe Clone Legion.)

Poly_raptor on

3 years ago

I have a similar deck in a casual format so I know things don’t work exactly the same but I would like to put these cards forwards :)

Holistic Wisdom is a good way to bring back enchantments if they get destroyed.

Starfield of Nyx would be o.p in this deck.

Riptide Chimera is great with all of the enters the battlefield triggers, I use it with Abundant Growth every turn which can draw you a crazy amount of cards, make a crazy amount of tokens or what ever etb triggers you have in play will produce, all just for one

Ralatorr on Estrid Chain Veil

3 years ago

Have you considered auras that go onto The Chain Veil like Power Artifact, Curator's Ward, Living Artifact, Relic Ward, Teferi's Curse, or Viridian Harvest just to name a few.

Her ability is to untap all enchanted permanents so if you can cheese out an enchantment onto the chain veil she will be able to untap it. While yes she can "make" one with the -1 ability to generate a mask, her -7 mills for 7 and puts all enchantments back into play. You should have been going plus on mana at that point to recast her and from there you can with with Laboratory Maniac or Walking Ballista using cards like Crop Sigil or Holistic Wisdom or any other gy recursion spell to get them to hand and win when you cast them

SSJ2KidGohan on My Name is Uril

3 years ago

That all makes sense, and is also why a card like Holistic Wisdom might be a good thing to have.

It turns out that I have been reading Awakening wrong this whole time, I thought it only untapped my own creatures and lands. What I really want is a Prophet of Kruphix that falls under the Naya umbrella to pair with Sigarda's Aid, which is more symbiotic than Vedalken Orrery and much less frightening than Vernal Equinox.

I also want to find something like Archetype of Endurance and/or Avacyn, Angel of Hope but (ideally) cost less mana. I have Alpha Authority but that's only one aura and affects only one creature.

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