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: Gruul Keyrune becomes a 3/2 red and green Beast artifact creature with trample until end of turn.
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Gruul Keyrune Discussion
2 months ago
It returns to the battlefield with a -1/-1 counter.
Persist is a type of "leaves the battlefield" triggered ability. LTB triggers use information from the last moment an object was on the battlefield to determine if and how they trigger. At the last moment Gruul Keyrune was on the battlefield in your example, it was a creature with no -1/-1 counters on it, so persist triggers. The detailed rules for persist don't include a check on whether the creature that died is an actual creature card, so it can bring back a non-creature permanent card from the graveyard. There aren't any rules restricting +/- counters from being put onto non-creatures, so the -1/-1 counter gets placed as the Keyrune enters the battlefield (and will affect the P/T if you turn it into a creature again later).
2 months ago
I am wondering what the ruling is on non-creatures being turned into creature by an effect or an ability, given persist then dying. Does the permanent stay in the graveyard or does it get returned to the battlefield?
The example I have given is Gruul Keyrune , which has the ability to be turned into a creature until end of turn. Once it is a creature it can then be targeted by Cauldron of Souls to give it persist. If it would die, I would expect it to revert to a non-creature artifact. Thing is, I don't know if that would stop it from being returned to the battlefield or not.
All help and info is much appreciated. Hope you can answer my question and help me understand why it would or wouldn't be return. Thank you for your time.
8 months ago
Hey, nice Scroll Rack Invention :)
Some budget cards to consider adding:
- Sol Ring
- Command Tower
- Congregation at Dawn
- Forerunner of the Empire
- Quartzwood Crasher
- Ripjaw Raptor
- Garruk's Uprising
- Rhythm of the Wild
- Elemental Bond
- Orcish Lumberjack
- Faeburrow Elder
- Canopy Vista
- Cinder Glade
- Exotic Orchard
- Naya Panorama
Sol Ring and Command Tower are some staple budget cards in Commander. At TCGPlayer you can find Sol for less than $3 and Tower for less than $1. Congregation at Dawn is a good budget creature tutor with Gishath. Cast it the same turn you want play Gishath or the turn before to tutor for and arrange the top of your library with any three Dinos to cheat onto the battlefield. Forerunner of the Empire is a Dino tutor (puts the Dino on top of your library) and a repeatable enrage enabler when a Dino you control ETB.
Quartzwood Crasher is one of the better budget Dinos since it can be a repeatable source of Dino tokens since many other Dinos have trample especially with Ghalta. Crasher combines well with Garruk's Uprising which can be a repeatable draw source and can give all creatures you control trample. Ripjaw Raptor has a powerful enrage ability to draw a card when it takes damage. Rhythm of the Wild makes all creatures you cast uncounterable and it gives nontoken creatures when they ETB the option of haste or make it bigger with a +1/+1 counter.
With Orcish Lumberjack sacing a Forest you control can make four mana since you can tap the Forest for mana before you sac it which can be a quick way to ramp into Gishath or other Dinos. Farseek is two drop land ramp that can search for a dual land such as Stomping Ground, Canopy Vista, Cinder Glade. At TCGPlayer can get Vista and Glade for less than $2 each.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Timber Gorge
- Tranquil Expanse
- Gruul Guildgate
- Selesnya Guildgate
- Blossoming Sands
- Nissa's Pilgrimage
- Font of Fertility
- Hunt the Weak
- Insult / Injury
- Gruul Keyrune
- Burnished Hart
- Ravenous Daggertooth
- Raging Regisaur
- Radiant Destiny
- Overgrown Armasaur
- Kinjalli's Caller
- Zhur-Taa Druid
Good luck with your deck.
1 year ago
Okay, so I am quite fond of brews that are delectation to pilot, but I am beholden to recommend some changes.
Now, Panharmonicon is a fantastic card, but there are only eleven ways to trigger the thing in this deck. Two of those are Draining Whelk and Grave Sifter, so, whilst they may have their moments, they seem lacking for doubling _ETB_s. This is my same opinion for Conjurer's Closet; what value is blinking something? Flameshadow Conjuring is in the same boat. These all become useless far too quickly, save for maybe Risen Reef shenanigans. Bramble Sovereign somewhat falls under the same folly, but I don't believe it to be as narrow.
Another thing to consider is the mana costs of cards. The majority of your curve is at three, which is probably when you would want to cast your commander. Ramp at two mana is far more ideal, as athwart to Keyrunes and Cluestones. I'd cut Temur Banner, Harrow, Gruul Keyrune for Talisman of Curiosity, Talisman of Impulse, and Rampant Growth. Wayfarer's Bauble is also of note. Llanowar Elves, Fyndhorn Elves, and Elvish Mystic each can draw cards off of some of your effects late-game whilst being incredibly effective early.
Pillar of Origins is a fine card, but it only produces mana for elemental, being twenty cards in your deck and the commander. This leaves seven lands with activated abilities and forty-two nonland, non-elemental cards that cannot be used with the Pillar. I would just use Talisman of Creativity.
Seeing as that you have ramp in the command zone, doubling down on card draw seems important. Guardian Project, Beast Whisperer, Garruk, Caller of Beasts, Primordial Sage, and Vanquisher's Banner can draw off of each creature. Kindred Discovery is an especially potent one. Shamanic Revelation and Collective Unconscious each can refill the hand well, but Tishana, Voice of Thunder may just be the best form of this effect.
Specific to your deck, Vivien, Champion of the Wilds just seems lovely.
Seeing the decklist, it seems to have a sparse amount of interaction. Reality Shift, Incubation / Incongruity, Imprisoned in the Moon, Song of the Dryads, Lignify, Pongify, and Rapid Hybridization are some to consider. Kenrith's Transformation even replaces itself.
I run Decimate in every deck I can. It is absolutely amazing and has literally never been lacking.
That shall be all from me!
Good luck and happy casting.
1 year ago
This list is a little hard to evaluate run together as one long alpha'd offering. Would be easier to figure out if there is enough ramp, removal, etc. if broken into card types or custom categories [enablers, ramp, etc.]
A couple of things that I would suggest:
Glorybringer comes out hasty and brings some additional removal if needed.
1 year ago
I agree with having more ramp. You can do this through spells, as Chhris suggested, which are good, or you can add some more mana rocks, like the Signets: Selesnya Signet , Gruul Signet , and Boros Signet , and/or the Talismans: Talisman of Conviction , Talisman of Impulse , and Talisman of Unity . I'd prefer to run one or more of these over a mana rock like Gilded Lotus . The Lotus is nice, but when ramp costs 5 CMC, you have to start to wonder if it's really ramp. I'd probably drop the Gruul Keyrune and Thran Dynamo to run some of these cheaper costed mana rocks. But that's my preference, and it would help drop the overall average CMC of your deck, which is pretty high with all the fatties you're running.
I'd look into cutting Warp World and Breath of Life , unless you just really like to mess with the table with Warp World. Breath of Life is a good reanimator spell, but it doesn't seem like it's what your plan with this deck is, and putting in another ramp spell or rock would probably be better served in that slot.
I think Anger would be a good cut, too, as it tends to run better with decks that can just throw it into the bin reliably, as opposed to just waiting for an opponent to kill it for you, or using it as sac fodder. eliakimras suggestion of Rhythm of the Wild is a good one, and if you are looking for another similar spell, Fires of Yavimaya is another budget option.
It looks like a good start, so have fun with it!
1 year ago
Vulshok Sorcerer da bin ich mir unsicher, was du damit willst. Ja, er kann gut sein, wenn jemand viele kleine Sachen spielt, aber sehr häufig ist er auch nutzlos.
Ich habe noch ein paar Empfehlungen, die alle irgendwie mit Countern synergieren: Bane of Progress , Bow of Nylea , Curse of Predation , Curse of Stalked Prey , Durable Handicraft , Fangren Firstborn , Forgotten Ancient , Jiang Yanggu, Wildcrafter , Krenko, Tin Street Kingpin , Longshot Squad (stellvertretend für alle Kreaturen mit Outlast), Mowu, Loyal Companion , Ravenous Slime , Rishkar, Peema Renegade , Rubblebelt Raiders , Song of Freyalise , Verdurous Gearhulk , Ravager Wurm , Rhythm of the Wild
Vielleicht wäre es auch eine gute Möglichkeit Surrak Dragonclaw als Commander zu nehmen und dir so Zugriff auf Blau zu ermöglichen. Mir ist aufgefallen, dass bei dir eh ein wenig das Ziehen von Karten zu fehlen scheint.. Ansonsten empfehle ich Samut, Voice of Dissent . Ihr weiß kannst du wenn du willst ja auch ignorieren
3 years ago
Some suggestions to consider: take out Manalith, Opaline Unicorn, Embodiment of Spring, and Gruul Keyrune, replace with Gruul Signet, Simic Signet, and Izzet Signet, and Sol Ring. For flying, Wonder provides a similar effect to Archetype of Imagination, and is a little harder to deal with. You will want to add more lands to this deck in order to cast your big creatures on time. I would say 35-38 lands, and cut some of your sorceries for ramp spells like Rampant Growth, Farseek,Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, Explosive Vegetation, or Skyshroud Claim. Thassa, God of the Sea is a more reliable way to make creatures unblockable than Invisibility or Way of the Thief. I always include a copy of Decimate in any deck that can play it. The same goes for Cyclonic Rift and Chaos Warp. Lastly, a few creatures that you could upgrade your deck with: Sakura-Tribe Elder, Joraga Treespeaker, Sylvan Caryatid, Courser of Kruphix, Genesis, Avenger of Zendikar, Prime Speaker Zegana, and Progenitor Mimic.